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Do you agree with the current policy?

yes
8 (47.1%)
no
6 (35.3%)
undecided
3 (17.6%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: March 14, 2018, 07:17:40 PM

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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2018, 04:52:09 PM »
if you're being harassed /dnd /squelch, etc. should be more than enough. if you're getting really butthurt about it step away from the computer and all your 'problems' are solved.

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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2018, 05:00:54 PM »
Next time you see a person trying to get a child's real address for obvious disgusting reasons and you are here looking and crossing your arms saying parents should be ok to just squelch the guy and move on: think about if it was your child that was playing the game that day.

I could go on and on and on, you can defend yourself that is good. Now does that mean we should behave like animals and not care for others that could be weaker and more vulnerable?
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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2018, 05:04:47 PM »
Never seen such a thing happen in the first place. Also, when I was 12 the rules of the internet were simple; don't tell anyone your real name, don't tell anyone where you live, don't tell anyone anything about you, pretty good logic to live by.

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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2018, 05:16:37 PM »
Well see not so long ago someone's child was harassed on the server check up that forum historic.

So yes it may happen.
Yet again you seem to be proud that you were given the tools to defend yourself guess what back in the days your parents had ways they could report such a thing if it happened on battle.net.
So that is one example that is a bad example sorry to say.

I say we are human we live in society we should make sure the environment is safe for its members right now war2.ru is a dangerous place to let a child play.
It can be also very aggressive toward minorities, do we want to stay that way to basically say if you are not strong enough just get out? Since when do you have to be a white supremacist and neo-nazi to feel at home and comfortable in a video game?

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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2018, 05:35:57 PM »
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Yet again you seem to be proud that you were given the tools to defend yourself guess what back in the days your parents had ways they could report such a thing if it happened on battle.net.
So that is one example that is a bad example sorry to say.

My parents didn't and still don't have any idea what battle.net is. So that is one example that is a bad example sorry to say.

I say we are human we live in society we should make sure the environment is safe for its members right now war2.ru is a dangerous place to let a child play.


No, it's not. I wouldn't hesitate to let my kid play on war2.ru if he wanted to. Facebook/Youtube/Twitter/Instagram are infinitely more dangerous than war2.ru for example yet they are all used by children.

It can be also very aggressive toward minorities, do we want to stay that way to basically say if you are not strong enough just get out? Since when do you have to be a white supremacist and neo-nazi to feel at home and comfortable in a video game?

If someone wants to be a black supremacist or Turkish supremacist on war2.ru I say let them do it too, then the white people that aren't strong enough can feel uncomfortable too.

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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2018, 06:13:03 PM »
Well your parents didn't have to know because nothing happened and nothing happened maybe because there were rules and well defined limits that is the point.

If we do what you say which we already do one group will eventually prevail and the others wont want to stay this is called cultural domination (as very well described by sociologists like Bourdieu).

The idea here is to prevent these destructive interactions as a way of strengthening the community.
Making sure no group of people is able to dominate and eliminate less aggressive and more peaceful ones. Without rules only the boldest the strongest and the most aggressive cultures survives.

If we want to bring back nice people of all levels playing the game we should make sure that they won't just be pushed away when they arrive.
Otherwise let's just say we give up on that too...
« Last Edit: March 08, 2018, 06:52:14 PM by Cel »

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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2018, 06:46:23 PM »
Its not just you. Babyshark is mentally ill it’s better not to respond to her. She takes arguments over the internet very seriously.

That's a pretty inappropriate thing to say, I am a bit dissappointed.

I think everyone here could be categorized as a bit mental. We all take internet games far too seriously.

When you are starting an official thread as an admin which basically states that the policy is "If I think it's bad enough I'll do somthing about it", to then single out a player in that same thread with a comment like this is quite startling. I realise the two of you don't get along but considering your position and the context, in my mind you have just dramatically strengthened some of BabyShark's assertions about you.

 I have normally found you to be much more reasonable than this, we all have bad moments, I think this was one of yours.
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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2018, 08:20:55 PM »
Again It is about having a welcoming environment for new people
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Why should we tolerate a few disgusting members to have such a bad impact and draw such a nasty image of our community.
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The problem is they are not just flagging themselves we all pay the price of these behaviors..

Yes.

To those who want to keep banging on about the "glory days", its a bit like saying "it was great back in the stone age when you could just hit your neighbour with a rock".

I remember those days, they were a fantastic time. Early battle.net and specifically WC2 was in my mind the birth of the global community. IMHO it is significant in the history of the human race.

Before fb or twitter or any of that stuff it was the first time in the history of mankind that 100,000 humans from all over the world were communicating in the same virtual community.

It was lawless, exhilarating and totally amazing. I get glassy-eyed just thinking about it, but the global community has evolved.

Do we want to continue to exist as a community or as a museum piece? We are in danger of ending up as a small collection of wax-dummies that is little more than a parody of a memory.


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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2018, 11:16:07 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/david.travis.908/videos/1561877193847781/
That is an amazing respond :-P
ps: no need for the gun to be real :-P

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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2018, 01:18:42 PM »
Yea, pulling a gun on someone for talking shit is awesome.

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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2018, 09:56:13 PM »
After 1 and half weeks the votes are in.

War2ru's current policy on harassment stands.

Harassment

In general, social behavior on the server is dealt with at the user-level.  When encountering unwanted messages from others, a user may choose to simply not listen, use the /squelch command, use the /dnd command, or ban the offending user from their games as necessary. 

However, occasionally harassment may arise, at which point administrators will step in.  Harassment will be considered to have taken place when a user makes a routine of bothering another user across multiple gaming sessions, and does in a persistent manner such that usual responses, such as typing /squelch once time each log-in session, fail to adequately handle the issue.

When a user is committing harassment, they will be warned by administrators, and failure to correct their behavior will lead to a ban.


Harassment is to be handled at the user level not the admin level.
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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2018, 12:51:40 PM »
Yea, pulling a gun on someone for talking shit is awesome.
Well a fake gun... More like a psychological gun rather than a real one :-P

Lets be honest, there are many forms of violence. And verbal violence is one that is not being handled properly.
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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2018, 07:35:48 PM »
Lets be honest, there are many forms of violence. And verbal violence is one that is not being handled properly.
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The poll shows the majority is happy with the current policies regarding "verbal violence."
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Re: Warcraft 2 Ru's Policy on harassment
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2018, 08:34:20 PM »
The poll shows what it shows not more not less:

Out of around 200 players active in the community 17 took part (it represents 8.5% of the total sample).
Not to mention these players are the most active players which are still playing and are not going to be the most vulnerable or the ones that would benefit from a change in policy.
Actually they are the most likely to go against any change because so far they are the ones who survived the best with these rules.

But non the less lets look further on these results shall we, numbers can be story telling:
47% of these very engaged and unmovable veterans voted they are "happy" with the current state of things they represent an impressive 4% of the player base but not even 50% of the most resilient players that took part to the poll.

Meaning we have 3% that still cared and though it would change anything 1.5% didn't care or though it was one more useless poll.

Most importantly 91.15% did not take part.

The majority look indeed overwhelming and satisfying enough for some of us to close the debate and shut people up it appears.
I would say it looks even worse than our last presidential election that medias said was not significant and satisfying as "only 45% of the population took part" yup now with our awesome 8.5% of active players expressing themselves I would say that is some next level legitimacy.

Amazing how fast people are willing to take everything coming their way and make it look like it is more than it really is.

8 individuals that took part could be you your dad your two brothers, your 2 closest friends and two renowned and active bullies (Saying these are legit players would not really change anything given the numbers).

But I am pretty sure you would like to believe there is no bias here as they represent pretty much the global population of our server at its core especially the ones that would benefit the most from the change :thumbsup:

ps: I took 200 as the number of active members if we take the 960+ members that are registered on the forum these numbers look even better how about that: 0.083% of our forum members think things are great and should not change yay now shut the fuck up we are all happy I don't want to hear anything on that matter no more!

At this point why even make a poll at all, just make your decisions alone, say you just don't care what others think/say but don't try to make it look like your decisions are legit and widely supported to shut people up when really it looks that bad, this is just insulting.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2018, 09:53:49 PM by Cel »