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Title: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Mistral on October 06, 2020, 12:48:11 AM
Hi, today i show u some auto heal from paladins
Its working on triggers
All paladins if player learned heal and exorcism will be passively casting Area Heal (that spell was in the game on alpha develompent stage but was cut, so i revived it)
Area Heal takes 5 mp for 1 hp healed
Lowest hp unit heals first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRGh6uaRJJ4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRGh6uaRJJ4#)
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: woofy on October 06, 2020, 01:13:48 AM
that's cool. but can it be disabled? paladins exorcism is very handy for when the opponent gets too aggressive with dks.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on October 06, 2020, 03:08:34 AM
Say your paladin is low mana healing will cancel the attack animation and you probably would rather have the damage than the weak heal.
In pure total value it only even is worth only if the paladin is close to full mana and even then it really wont be any close to any other spells in the game  ;)

coil = 50 damage + 50 heal = 1 mana per 1 HP value.
exhorcism should also cost 1 mana to get the same value there :-)
Runes potential value is 5x 50 for 200 mana but it is close enough since you most of the time 1 rune will miss it's target out of the 5.
Value of Lust is not comparrable it just is off the chart in comparrison to these other spells in pure bonus value.

If you want to make heal more cost efficient relative to lust increase mana cost of lust x2 make heal cost 1 mana  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Mistral on October 06, 2020, 03:15:14 AM
U can change manacost of 1 hp in there with triggers. Even 1 hp for 1 mana.
And they autohealing even when in battle, even when attacking, this dont interrupt animations))
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on October 06, 2020, 03:23:58 AM
So priority is still for the attack then all the time?
Well its good in that case but I am not sure I would want automated behavior added in the game to be entirely honest, if would feel like a hack to me (I cant explain that) although I know other games have these kind of behavior I wouldnt mind having to heal my units if the value was worth the apm cost  :sweat:.

I believe tweaking mana costs should be more than enough to establish a better balance between races without changing the gameplay too much though.
Good thing we will be able to experiment thank you Mistral  :beam: :slight_smile:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: {Lance} on October 06, 2020, 03:22:02 PM
Interesting concept.  Seeing paladins on a level playing field with lusted ogies however would tip the scales to far in favor of humans since mages are already the most powerful unit in the game.  Just because it's harder to use doesnt mean it's imbalanced.  This would clearly imbalance the game if paladins could stand against lust on their own without the assistance of a mage.  If they still cant hang with ogies,  it would be a cool option to have if it can be enabled/disabled before the beginning of a game and consented by all in the room.  Cant say I'd ever play a game with this enabled but I could see it being something a lot of people would really like.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Winchester on October 06, 2020, 09:51:52 PM
Good change to heal overall, but it should have an option somewhere to turn off the auto cast on heal so you can at least exorcism or holy vision. The auto healing in middle of combat without interrupting your attacks is really nice too!
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Mistral on October 06, 2020, 10:00:33 PM
About enabling/disabling in lobby room, this thing will be implemented in PUD file. So if someone want play with this, they just host that custom edited map.
About enabling/disabling during the game, i dnt know how to do it manually with buttons or hotkeys, so i think this thing will be enabled if someone praying in the church. (if some footman or peasant staying near church then paladins autoheal, if u dnt have someone nearby any of your churches, then paladins cannot autoheal).
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on October 07, 2020, 12:33:13 AM
lame imo, wc2 last rts game Made were everything is manual input, this makes it skillless
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Warcraf_Triggy123 on October 07, 2020, 05:27:37 AM
so like its an auto heal thats nice
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 07, 2020, 05:29:43 AM
9 auto healing paladins vs 9 listed ogres. Who wins?
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Oragorn on October 07, 2020, 05:56:38 AM
Quote
9 auto healing paladins vs 9 listed ogres. Who wins?
Ogres with bloodlust will kill paladins with auto healing. But paladins are getting stronger.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on October 07, 2020, 06:49:21 AM
You can calculate that guys:
Potential added value of lust in bonus damage done per mana point spent.
Potential added value of heal in hit point healed per mana point spent.

I already did the maths for you in a previous post you can dig that up if you are lazy or do them yourself but long story short:
Even if heal costs 1 mana only, lust still has a lot more value per mana spent than heal. The only way you can change that is by also increasing lust's mana cost to make it more in the line of other spells in the game (which it isn't).

Now if you really want to fix the balance I recommend making the smallest changes possible to every single spells in the game to achieve it and not changing the mechanics if you want to preserve the feel of the game.
Basically you want the game to feel the same as much as possible radical changes will just not work for me...

Also I may add that balance in my opinion is not necessary at this point, playing humans is a handy way to give ourselves a small handicap against weaker foes and/or force practice all the strategies that do not involve the overlly famous T3 powerspike.
If you balance the game you are effectively removing that one click option and we have not real handicap mechanic to replace that (like the handicaps in starcraft or warcraft3) war2 sadly does not have these options.

And no, mages are just in no way better than dks if you just take the time to do the maths:
Spoiler
Coil = AOE spell that does 1 hit point value for 1 mana spent. (100 mana, 50 dmg 50 heal) it is by far the best and easiest one shot spell to use in the game and is free and already researched. Blizzard has less spreading than d&d and even if it does more damage when the shards land directly on target units (about 10% more after empirrical testing) the splash is very very low making it a very unreliable spell against small amount of targets since you have to be more lucky to have that shard right on target. If you test the two spells on isolated units and count all the times the shard miss the target too you will see it is actually better to have d&d in these situations.
So not only d&d is more reliable but it also does more than 41% more damage to farms which is just crazy (empirically tested as well feel free to test all I am saying for yourself).
Haste is a much better spell than both slow and invisibility it is probably the second best spell in the game after d&d and it is cheap and fast to research and is also cheap in mana.


There is no denying imbalances exist at this point but at the same time no one that really loves the game really cares about them, there is something fun in playing the underdogs and we have no other easy handicap mechanics built in the game anyways.
Just like the most imperfect and imbalanced version of GOW is still the most popular and played version, you can bet that top tier players all will always prefer playing the classic imbalanced version of war2 if the choice is ever given to them especially if the balancing changes the way the game feels.
And maybe that is not such a bad thing :critter:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Shotgun on October 07, 2020, 08:36:30 AM
lame imo, wc2 last rts game Made were everything is manual input, this makes it skillless

most of the new players all use auto lust anyway :|
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Oragorn on October 07, 2020, 08:37:31 AM
In no case!
The balance in classic war2 will remain the same.

We run the war2 modification project (war2_mod). We want to introduce several innovative features to add balance to the game. And we'll all see what comes of it.

We will release a test version of this modification. Everyone can try it.

Time will tell where this can lead.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Shotgun on October 07, 2020, 08:37:40 AM
IMO auto slow would make it more interesting, imaging being able to make armies of 5 or 6 mages and take on packs of ogres. Auto healing paladins would still get rolled hard by ogres, also if there was a bird there would they prioritize it or they only heal themselves?

Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Mistral on October 07, 2020, 08:54:16 AM
prioritize in healing gets units with lowest hp (in numbers not in %)
so yea if there 20/90 hp paladins and 5/100 hp bird, then bird heals first

about changes in balance etc, i said this will be in PUD, so when someone want play with this, they host custom edited map. (like chop is not very standart classic map too)
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on October 07, 2020, 09:36:25 AM
If your goal is just to achieve balance there is no need to automate actions or change the way spells work, you can just tweak numbers to make them more or less effective where you think it is needed.
Make lust cost somewhere between 85 and 200 mana and heal 1 mana per hp healed and your game is now a lot more balanced without you having to change anything to the way the game works or is played.
Mechanically it will still be war2 the numbers just wont be that far appart anymore and thus it will be balanced if that really is what you are looking for...
You want to make fireball as great as coil for example? => Make fireball do a tiny bit more damage or cost less mana to cast etc...
That way you can make every spell in the game viable and decent without changing the way the game works or is played. Spells still do what they always did, players can play exactly the same as before and skills are used just the same, they just do the job better or worse. That way I feel there is less risk of denaturing the game and it will feel less like a hack more like a proper legit balancing of the game. :slight_smile:

I mean it is cool that peole can do these things for custom maps like freecastle and shit but yeah if we are talking core game experience and balancing this is how I see things.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Szwagier on October 07, 2020, 12:19:44 PM
I would delay more tier3 than doing autoheal, like the slowest upgarde for fort/castle bulding altar/church and upgarde and higher cost special for lust like 2000 wood xD
max  is 255
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on October 08, 2020, 10:43:14 AM
That also are numbers that can be tweaked yes, delaying the lust powerspike effectively.
It could be interesting for sure...
Although it gives more time for humans to pull it off against the orcs once lust is unlocked it is back to square 1.
If heal actually healed, to have different powerspike timing for the two races where humans have a short period of time where they can be a little bit ahead could be an interesting approach :)
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Incos on October 08, 2020, 06:15:20 PM
That should be implemented, stop being old fuks that care about the core being the same. Time for you to grow up.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on October 08, 2020, 07:52:25 PM
That should be implemented, stop being old fuks that care about the core being the same. Time for you to grow up.

Stop being a judgemental young brat that does not care about what other people care about, you can make your own butchered version of the game if you want or play wargus, no one is stopping/judging you but it probably wont work...
All we are saying here is that there are people that love war2 the way it is and that although these balance changes could be interesting if done properly.
You probably do not want to butcher the game too much if you want to win most of our current warcraft 2 playerbase over a balance change.
Like Mistral said it will and should stay optional, keeping the changes to custom games/maps is fine!  :newthumbsup:

As I said previously balance is not really as important as nostalgia for many of our players, otherwise gow classic and hsc classic would not be the top played maps over their more balanced versions still...
Maybe we are old fuks but facts are facts gow classic is played by like 80% of the community rest are playing chop farms and has been for ages, does that look like a playerbase that is looking for radical changes to you incos?
You have to respect what your playerbase wants and not ignore the signals they send you. You cannot just say "grow up" when probably 99% of the playerbase is not showing any sign of looking for the changes you want...

I mean look at how unpopular wargus is, yet it has all the modern stuff plugged into it and some pretty cool things too like units life bars, resources bars etc... But it also does not feel like war2 anymore it went too far and most players rather stick to war2.ru...
When they connect to war2.ru people want to play warcraft 2, not Loria, not Wargus, not Age of empire, or Warcraft 3 with a skin... Let that sink in...
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Oragorn on October 09, 2020, 02:30:08 AM
Сел. Скажу по-русски, братан :)
Ты немного не понимаешь, что мы хотим сделать и где :) Давай в дискорде объясню, раз у меня туго с английским :)

All good!
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on October 09, 2020, 02:39:19 AM
@Oragorn Я же все понял мне кажеця, это только будет в pud да? Значит если будет хост классик гов у тебя не будет баланс и думаю это супер наверное)
Я просто ответил человек инкос потому что он давно спросивает что мы изменяем игру вообше за всех. Очень давно)))
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on October 09, 2020, 06:17:31 AM
Who want that Cel? ur idol hacker u8?

I would love that, let's get it guys, best update of 2020 with the chop add on!
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: (PLS DELETE MY ACC) on October 09, 2020, 06:45:53 AM
That should be implemented, stop being old fuks that care about the core being the same. Time for you to grow up.
+1

"WE LOVE W2 FOR THE IMBALANCES :)"
"FUCKING BITCH ASS LUCKER I GOT 6 THREE TIMES IN A ROW GIT GUD NEWBIE"
"WE LOVE W2 FOR THE IMBALANCES :)"
"IDIOT WHORE U ONLY WON CUZ I WANTED TO BEAT U WITH HUMANS"
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on October 09, 2020, 06:52:13 AM
That should be implemented, stop being old fuks that care about the core being the same. Time for you to grow up.
+1

"WE LOVE W2 FOR THE IMBALANCES :)"
"FUCKING BITCH ASS LUCKER I GOT 6 THREE TIMES IN A ROW GIT GUD NEWBIE"
"WE LOVE W2 FOR THE IMBALANCES :)"
"IDIOT WHORE U ONLY WON CUZ I WANTED TO BEAT U WITH HUMANS"

You dont even play war2 stfu
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: (PLS DELETE MY ACC) on October 09, 2020, 07:09:12 AM
That should be implemented, stop being old fuks that care about the core being the same. Time for you to grow up.
+1

"WE LOVE W2 FOR THE IMBALANCES :)"
"FUCKING BITCH ASS LUCKER I GOT 6 THREE TIMES IN A ROW GIT GUD NEWBIE"
"WE LOVE W2 FOR THE IMBALANCES :)"
"IDIOT WHORE U ONLY WON CUZ I WANTED TO BEAT U WITH HUMANS"

You dont even play war2 stfu
YO BUDDY FOREIGN CLIENTS ARE ALLOWED ON .RU
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on October 09, 2020, 11:18:07 AM
I just dont understand why peoples like you are hanging on forum try To influence the peoples if you guys dont even play that game.

What the point?
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Szwagier on October 09, 2020, 12:33:59 PM
Who want that Cel? ur idol hacker u8?

I would love that, let's get it guys, best update of 2020 with the chop add on!
Dont worry you will still suck
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on October 09, 2020, 12:53:48 PM
Who want that Cel? ur idol hacker u8?

I would love that, let's get it guys, best update of 2020 with the chop add on!
Dont worry you will still suck

Keep hacking newbe.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Szwagier on October 09, 2020, 03:41:58 PM
no need to hacks vs newbs like you who still after 20 years dont know how works tower bug  :sob:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on October 09, 2020, 05:20:03 PM
For the record no one said it is a bad update, what Mistral has done is wonderful and a 100% good for the game.
What we are saying is it should stay what it is right now a trigger system for custom maps not a general fix.
Meaning if you want to have a gow where this is active you can make your own gow map but you can still play the classic version of GOW without the balance changes or any change for that matter :P
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Incos on October 12, 2020, 08:29:19 AM
For the record no one said it is a bad update, what Mistral has done is wonderful and a 100% good for the game.
What we are saying is it should stay what it is right now a trigger system for custom maps not a general fix.
Meaning if you want to have a gow where this is active you can make your own gow map but you can still play the classic version of GOW without the balance changes or any change for that matter :P

Hehe, too stuck in the past. Blizzard never balanced Warcraft 2 and even they admitted that you got the chance for auto heal- the thing we all have been asking for years and you say nahh I’d rather keep bloodlust much more op. Silly thinking- and it’s sad when people with limited minds are in the control of RU. One reason I kept hearing why people don’t play warcraft 2 is “orcs op, boring”.  You got a good chance to grow the community.   You’re better off putting it to a vote  than having one guy control the scene.  I’m looking at you cel 👀. 
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Winchester on October 12, 2020, 12:08:46 PM
alot of the spells need some tweaking in some way as most of them are hardly even used by players.  Whether its mana cost, gold cost, research time or something else. No one is gonna have their nostalgia ruined by some number tweaking to a spell they ain't seen used in 5+ years which they probably didn't even know the gold & mana cost of anyway due to how much of an afterthought it is to them. Even if it was bloodlust getting touched in a patch, and say its duration was lowered by 1.5 seconds, do you think any returning players would actually even notice that?
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on October 12, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
alot of the spells need some tweaking in some way as most of them are hardly even used by players.  Whether its mana cost, gold cost, research time or something else. No one is gonna have their nostalgia ruined by some number tweaking to a spell they ain't seen used in 5+ years which they probably didn't even know the gold & mana cost of anyway due to how much of an afterthought it is to them. Even if it was bloodlust getting touched in a patch, and say its duration was lowered by 1.5 seconds, do you think any returning players would actually even notice that?

That is exactly my point number tweaking is totally fine and should be the way to balance things out if ever, not changing the way the game plays or the mechanics.
Auto heal is unnecessary frankly but I guess it is cool for custom games and scenarios to have these things.
All I am saying is if you increase lust's mana cost and decrease heal mana cost as well as decrease human spells researching costs etc you can balance the game without changing the way it plays overall. While also making all the spells in the game that were not before, worth using  :slight_smile:

Also making sure players have the choice to use or not the balance changes in their game is very important imo that is what I really like abou that new triggers system it is voluntary you can make a balanced version of GOW and host that instead but players that want to keep playing the original version of the game can still do that it is a non destructive approach and I really like that!
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: FlyDude on November 08, 2020, 07:48:54 PM

Surprised that the balancing focus hasn't been on making standard play speed more playable for more players. EF and F are standard playspeeds now, but if first buildings could be dropped faster with play then returning to the standard play speed, this would help the Human/Orc balance (as everyone is already aware).

All these additions of auto inputs are cool, and no doubt interesting in development, but unlikely to be widely adopted; whereas, helping the game return to its purer concepts might result in greater adoption.

GL, either way.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Vendar on November 09, 2020, 02:25:29 PM
Imo auto-healing is must have if you want to balance War2. Without it Bloodlust is too op.

Also it could be awesome if this game would get total rebalance mod, with new and unique units for both races. The idea is to keep original game immerse but recreate gameplay with some unique units and balance.
Why it could be awesome? Well, I'm a War2 fan, but not a blind one :D and I fully understand why Age of Empires 1-3, Starcraft 1-2, Spellforce and many many other RTS games are much better than War1/War2.
First reason: Bloodlust is op so Orcs > Humans.
Second: races doesn't have unique units so every match looks almost same.

Quick fix for first issue: play with numbers and give Paladins auto-healing.
Fix for second issue: add 2 unique units for each race and a lot playing with numbers and testing.

After that game will be more fun :) Starcrafts are the gold standard, the role model that every great RTS should follow and in SCs units are completly unique per race, they counter each other and that makes the game interesting even after 20 years after premiere.

That's only my opinion and my dreams about "making Warcraft 2 great again" :D I had my chance years ago, but I didn't find anyone to work with me so my mod failed.

GL with your plans!
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 11, 2020, 07:09:05 AM
Auto-heal is definitely not a must have nope...
If lust is too powerfull then the problem is Lust, and you can make it fair by increasing it's mana cost to avoid it being always up while also decreasing it's value added per mana spent.
In the same way Heal would be a perfectly fine spell if it actually healed. and did not cost 6 mana points per hit point healed.

Start by making the value in damage dealt/healed per mana spent of heal and exorcism actually align with all the other spells in the game and then we can talk about changing/adapting/butchering the mechanics of the game or the way it plays.

Stop wanting to make warcraft 2 another game please...
You do not need different races in a strategy game for it to be interesting I would actually argue the opposite, Chess and Go has been played for ages and feature exactly the same pawns on both sides war2 is not very far from that actually.

Warcraft 2's unique beauty relies on its simplicity: every unit in in war2 is useful, serves a purpose and is used in multiplayer at every level of play. In almost every single game that reaches late game you see them all. Just because you have a core unit type (ogres/grunts or simple pawns in chess) does not mean you dont need everything you have around them to win.

If you were to add 2 units you have to find them a role to play and give them a strategical value that other units do not already cover, you have to make sure that their existence does not impair or render useless another preexisting unit. Or do you just want to add stuff for the sake of it? ( like in AOE where units litterally replace other units to a point that you see more than half the roaster being just ignored in multiplayer competitive games )
On the same note Starcraft and Wc3 have about the same number of units per race than war2, except that in one game you will probably never see all of them needed and used at once like you do in war2... There is beauty in that simplicity in design every piece at your disposal is truly valuable and allow you to manage the board in its own way.

War2 is not one of these new pseudo-strategical games that keep coming (Iron harvest etc...) that were designed with the looks and the cool story in mind almost uniquely...
War2 is a strategy game first and foremost. You could remove the races entirely from war2 and put simple chess pawns in place of the units and the game would still be interesting to play and watch... And yes, even with a spell like bloodlust being OP because ogres still die to drakes and dks or canon towers and they cant go over water alone either.
If you cannot see that, I feel sorry for you for what you have been missing on all these years, but maybe it is time to open your eyes...

Point is, I totally support Mistral and IL for the way they are dealing with this:

It is a very good and cool thing that players will be able to make their own scenarios and maps with all these things, but we do not have to butcher the game for everyone else based on one person's opinion or tastes...  :wc2:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Incos on November 11, 2020, 09:42:04 AM
I think auto heal would make a lot of players return.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 11, 2020, 12:58:36 PM
Auto-heal is definitely not a must have nope...
If lust is too powerfull then the problem is Lust, and you can make it fair by increasing it's mana cost to avoid it being always up while also decreasing it's value added per mana spent.
In the same way Heal would be a perfectly fine spell if it actually healed. and did not cost 6 mana points per hit point healed.

Start by making the value in damage dealt/healed per mana spent of heal and exorcism actually align with all the other spells in the game and then we can talk about changing/adapting/butchering the mechanics of the game or the way it plays.

Stop wanting to make warcraft 2 another game please...
You do not need different races in a strategy game for it to be interesting I would actually argue the opposite, Chess and Go has been played for ages and feature exactly the same pawns on both sides war2 is not very far from that actually.

Warcraft 2's unique beauty relies on its simplicity: every unit in in war2 is useful, serves a purpose and is used in multiplayer at every level of play. In almost every single game that reaches late game you see them all. Just because you have a core unit type (ogres/grunts or simple pawns in chess) does not mean you dont need everything you have around them to win.

If you were to add 2 units you have to find them a role to play and give them a strategical value that other units do not already cover, you have to make sure that their existence does not impair or render useless another preexisting unit. Or do you just want to add stuff for the sake of it? ( like in AOE where units litterally replace other units to a point that you see more than half the roaster being just ignored in multiplayer competitive games )
On the same note Starcraft and Wc3 have about the same number of units per race than war2, except that in one game you will probably never see all of them needed and used at once like you do in war2... There is beauty in that simplicity in design every piece at your disposal is truly valuable and allow you to manage the board in its own way.

War2 is not one of these new pseudo-strategical games that keep coming (Iron harvest etc...) that were designed with the looks and the cool story in mind almost uniquely...
War2 is a strategy game first and foremost. You could remove the races entirely from war2 and put simple chess pawns in place of the units and the game would still be interesting to play and watch... And yes, even with a spell like bloodlust being OP because ogres still die to drakes and dks or canon towers and they cant go over water alone either.
If you cannot see that, I feel sorry for you for what you have been missing on all these years, but maybe it is time to open your eyes...

Point is, I totally support Mistral and IL for the way they are dealing with this:

It is a very good and cool thing that players will be able to make their own scenarios and maps with all these things, but we do not have to butcher the game for everyone else based on one person's opinion or tastes...  :wc2:

Increase mana cost so you gonna fucked up 25 years of perfect timing that everyone have learn.

Pls go back to hacks peoples and dont give your advice, you barely can beat a tier 6 player.

Auto Heal is a great idea, we probably better try it for a season in the next patch and if it's not good we can remove it next season, but the try definitly worth it.

Dont listen Cel, this dude cant even dual, how the fuck he has the right to give is advice hahaha
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 11, 2020, 08:06:54 PM
Says the guy who never played humans once in his life, and who thinks everyone is a hacker as soon as one tries to defend or at least question his accusations on people that litterally spent hours doing a program for him. :sweat:

About the timings:
Spoiler
Increasing the mana cost of bloodlust wont change its power thus it wont change the burst you get when you reach it and it wont change the speed at which you unlock it, you will still be able to break through concrete with the exact same powerspike as before so timings are mostly fine.

But it will have a small cooldown on it while your ogres resplenish their mana meaning your timings though still exactly the same, wont be a permanent braindead spam lust gameplay anymore. You thus may have to use your brain in late game and probably there will be more room for runes than there already is. It may hurt a little at first to have to use your head Equinox but we all have to start somewhere...

So not only are you an ungrateful paranoiac but now you want to break the game for everyone else? Feeling like forcing people to adopt your ideas much?
Once this patch is out you can always try making your own retarded version of the game with it if you want to. Host it, you will see who joins and really likes your changes...

Besides... You of all people probably wouldn't be able to enjoy such a massive patch in the first place anyways...

This RUSSIAN :omg: patch probably will be another dangerous and malicious VIRUS detected HACK :omg: :rofl:.

So before we talk changes and patches you probably should get your paranoia in check or at least find a real way to actually double check your paranoiac instincts. Because what is the point of asking people to do things you cant enjoy anyways...

Oh and once you do learn to doublecheck, you probably owe Lesnik an appology... While it is easy to throw the :poo: you gotta be ready to eat it all back up if you were wrong  :kissing_heart:.
Oh and a thank you once in a while would be nice too, for people that actually do things you wouldn't have the brain cells to do yourself.

So much bad parenting around the world it is very sad...
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Winchester on November 11, 2020, 10:05:14 PM
try it for a season in the next patch and if it's not good we can remove it next season

This. Having it on a trial period would not hurt the game. if everybody favors it, keep, if everybody dislikes, remove. And is probably how we should handle all balance patches

Heroes of the storm introduced weather events into their game a few months ago that would cause things to happen when the weather change occured, like gaining a random lightning shield, invisibility or starcraft shield type buff. They asked for feedback on it and if it was positive they would keep it, it was mostly negative feedback, and it got removed before the season was over.

It wouldn't hurt the health of the game to add it in for a trial period and then remove it if its unfavored or deemed too op. If anything it gets the community more involved by wanting to play humans for a couple games so they can tell you if they want to keep the change or not.

If possible, maybe even make the backup server the testing ground for any balance changes before being implemented on the main server.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 11, 2020, 10:28:20 PM
You can host your games with the balance the way you want it, but dont be forcing your changes onto everyone else that just wants to play their everyday war2 game. Totally not ok if people like your ideas they will play your custom games if you have to force them well these changes probably are trash...

Also doing what you guys are talking about would force people to re-download and reinstall their whole freaking game all over again. Just look at how easily spooked Equinox is with a simple smaller program made by Lesnik how do you think he will fair with a 20 times larger file made by another russian member he knows nothing about. To be fair I dont even know why we are having this discussion in the first place that just wont happen :rofl:

Have fun making your maps/mods and all once it is out :thumbsup:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Winchester on November 12, 2020, 12:26:27 AM
Also doing what you guys are talking about would force people to re-download and reinstall their whole freaking game all over again

Every patch on ru has done that. Theres been several new war2combat releases in the past 3 years alone has there not? Including one which was quickly released to remove Lambchops Chop plugin not even a month into it being part of the main combat? Warcraft 2 takes under 2 minutes to install from a fresh google search. Under a minute if you're familiar I don't know why this is one of your mains arguments against a balance patch lol, All games make you download a new patch, some of those patches alone on those games are twice the size of the full war2 game, which is like 100x war2combats size.

and on the contrary, many games force patches and have some of the largest esports. So "if you have to force it its probably trash" is a pretty silly argument. League of legends has been around longer then 10 years now, and is bigger now then it was back then. Starcraft 1, which is nearly as old as warcraft 2, is doing great. Warcraft 3, despite the mess caused by reforged, is still hosting competitive things all the time, They even adjusted the functionality of a healing spell not long  ago on a hero much like what this thread is trying here, No discussion on it, it happened, and  nothing drastic changed about the game after they changed that heros healing spell, no ones nostalgia was ruined because the alchemist hero is no longer also healing the enemy team with healing spray when using it on his team. it didn't make him so op that tavern heros were meta in every race. It was a balance change. It made him more usable, it made him get picked more in tournaments, if bloodlust does not get a nerf, which almost everyone doesn't deny is op, Why wouldn't you want a slight balance change for human at the very least to make them at least picked more in a matchup? If Terran has a 5% pick rate and a - 50% winrate, while protoss is 20% pickrate with a 52% winrate, and zerg is 75% pickrate with a 82% winrate, on a game that is basically the father of esports, do you not think this would be a problem in a game with such a huge competitive scene? and a forced patch to help even  out those winrates would be trash? War2 is in a worse situation then that example when it comes to race pickrate and winrate.

Units / items in other games get nerfed simply for how they perform in certain maps, and thus cop a global nerf even when they dont end up on those maps. Warcraft 3 is another example of this. The Tome of experience got an experience reduction due to how it overperformed on the twisted meadows map. You could instantly go from level 1 to level 3 as a humans player immidietely after creating your hero if you got lucky with a tomb of experience drop. 1 map being too strong for it caused that change globally across all maps. they nerfed the experience on it, before only last year in 2019, they decided to finally remove the item entirely from the drop table.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 12:32:32 AM
Dont argue with this guy winchester, the only reason why he try to find excuses is... Because... If they change something like that, u8 and all mpq hackers will have to hacks the mpq again..

Hes protecting the cyber criminal right now.

He think peoples are dumb and we cant see what happen here, it's probably also because of the zombie network that they are running on us.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 12:44:08 AM
You are really one kind of a troll... What makes you think this would stop people from being able to change their MPQ files what so ever?

These are two entirely different things....

This would just change the common base client for everyone, not change the way all of the game works... The MPQs still will be there and MPQ editor too. It really does not take a genius to be able to figure that much... The more you say stuff like that the more I actually think you may really be just trolling... Or worse...

Zombie network... what ever lol... When you start to suspecting america never went to the moon and the illuminaty are running your local grocery store let us know. Are you a flat earth guy too? :rofl:

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Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 12:57:40 AM
You are really one kind of a troll... What makes you think this would stop people from being able to change their MPQ files what so ever?

These are two entirely different things....

This would just change the common base client for everyone, not change the way all of the game works... The MPQs still will be there and MPQ editor too. It really does not take a genius to be able to figure that much... The more you say stuff like that the more I actually think you may really be just trolling... Or worse...

Zombie network... what ever lol... When you start to suspecting america never went to the moon and the illuminaty are running your local grocery store let us know. Are you a flat earth guy too? :rofl:

We all know everytime that iL change something about the gameplay itself it corrupt the older version wich include the old mpq... If iL change something in the MPQ, u8 and every hackers would have to sett there mpq again because there old mpq will corrupt with the new one...

Even if it's a minor change.

We also know that it's pretty possible that iL is running a zombie network on this server since the LDIR period.

People actually dont understand that, but you cant fool me..

80% of these admins are cyber criminal, and you are one of them, 60% of the players are also programmar hackers.

Gonna be 15 years you guys are protecting hackers and cyber criminal, cant fool smart peoples anymore.

And by the Way, we already know who is the master in the art of trolling, (tro)ga(ll)(Art)..

You think i dont see inside you, ive seen tons of cute funny hypocrite like you in my life.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 01:00:27 AM
We have a community of maybe 300 players, but i would love to know how many peoples in the entire world have downloaded that software over 15 years.

That zombie network must be impressive, dont you think so ;)  :thumbsup:

How much you have been paid for being that super troll cel, a russian french guy who have been put in place to manipulate me, right?

I will always fight for my family, war2 belong to us, not a bunch of cyber criminal, You failed, you better kill me  :salty:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 01:21:32 AM
You know absolutely nothing about me LOL there is 0% russian blood in me, I just happen to learn stuff for fun in my free time russian is one of these hobbies and that is enough for you to call me russian french why am I even surprised  :rofl:.

I am not an admin on this server, just a simple user like you (except much nicer than you). If I did not trust IL and thought really badly about all this I would not be hanging out here tbh. To be entirely honest if GOG actually did a good job at resurrecting battle.net for war2 I would be playing on GOG not here. And I am pretty sure IL would have closed RU and let / help them take over but sadly that did not happen and we are all stuck here until Blizzard oneday wakes up and get their shit together...

Remember when everyone was accusing Tupac of attacking the server and I was not? Well unlike you and most people out here I dont throw piles after piles of :poo: at people without proof. All I have ever accused people of doing is either things they admitted to do or stuff we have proof they did or stuff I at least tried to verify.

You have no problem dumping shit on every single person that disagrees with you without caring to even try checking if there is any truth to what you say.

This is why people keep saying you are stupid or whatever. Because they rather think you are stupid than just an entitled manipulative asshole bratt that haven't been taught any better...

Edit: Trog All Art you didnt even get that part right :rofl:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 01:29:11 AM
You know absolutely nothing about me LOL there is 0% russian blood in me, I just happen to learn stuff for fun in my free time russian is one of these hobbies and that is enough for you to call me russian french why am I even surprised  :rofl:.

I am not an admin on this server, just a simple user like you (except much nicer than you). If I did not trust IL and thought really badly about all this I would not be hanging out here tbh. To be entirely honest if GOG actually did a good job at resurrecting battle.net for war2 I would be playing on GOG not here. And I am pretty sure IL would have closed RU and let / help them take over but sadly that did not happen and we are all stuck here until Blizzard oneday wakes up and get their shit together...

Remember when everyone was accusing Tupac of attacking the server and I was not? Well unlike you and most people out here I dont throw piles after piles of :poo: at people without proof. All I have ever accused people of doing is either things they admitted to do or stuff we have proof they did or stuff I at least tried to verify.

You have no problem dumping shit on every single person that disagrees with you without caring to even try checking if there is any truth to what you say.

This is why people keep saying you are stupid or whatever. Because they rather think you are stupid than just an entitled manipulative asshole bratt that haven't been taught any better...

Are you trying to act like you have now no probleme with tupac? Your probably the one on this server who hate tupac the most for absolute no reason.. Trying to act like tupac is evil cuz he told mousetopher facebook to everyone Lol....

You have literally say tons of time that if tupac came back admin on this server you will left the game for ever.

Your the biggest tupac hater that have never existed and now you act like there nothing wrong with tupac? lol

Why dont you just say truth, tupac was about to find something important about that server and iL had no choice to throw him out of the staff before it goes wrong, and now you guys are acting like he is the evil himself and he is dangerous for us.. If tupac want bad for us, that server will be harasse every fucking day.

But actually i really doubt something will happen to that server, at this point this server is protected way much more then we think and you guys just act like you are weak against someone like tupac, so everyone think this server is normal.

Those cyber criminal just seen that i was digged way to deep in this zombie network history since 2016 and they just find a troll like you to spy me and be the brain for them.

They find a troll like you who can speak french and also russian to translate everything i know and try to manipulate me at same time.

That zombie network probably worth millions of dollars in revenue, paying a troll like you is nothing for them... How much did they pay you? Mr i am not admin but i decide almost everything for iL.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 01:33:38 AM
Actually why everytime that we speak togheter you must came back with tupac all the time? It seem curious that you always speak about tupac when we talk togheter... Are you scare of me and tupac because you think tupac can protect me if something happen? Whats the point, that behavior is so fucking curious...
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 01:50:56 AM
I never ever ever said I hate Tupac I said I do not trust him, two entirely different things, and I totally would stop anything I do with war2 here if he was to be admin here again.
Tupac is creepy AF and all I ever accused him of he admitted to do himself, and if you see nothing wrong with him being  in charge knowing the way he he acts on his anger and feelings its your own problem.

Also your version of the story differs from what IL had to say about the subject maybe you should ask him what he has to say about the whole situation you may learn some things.

I am not being paid by anyone for anything, IL and Tora and others asked me to be admin here but I refused many times, the only place I earned money from last year related to any of this is twitch when they gave me about 100$ after 4 years of content creation that was actually not related to war2 in anyways (game developement tutorials and game jams for an open source game engine (Godot)).

I dont know why the money I do is of such importance to you but whatever there you have it 100$ in 4 years woo I think you certainly have reasons to be jealous! If I was in all of this for the money I probably would have chosen another game and another source of content creation I am not THAT retarded tyvm...

DO I Need to show you a screenshot of my payout history from twitch to prove it now is that what you want to see?

Streaming on twitch can be lucrative just not for people like us, not while we stream that kind of content get over it... There is no money to be made out of war2 otherwise Blizzard probably would not have let the game die so badly....

Now that does not mean we cant work on growing our channels and try and get the hype growing for war2 but as it is now we are no way near any kind of worth. I streamed well over 200 hours last month for what 14$ potential revenue in maybe 4 years?... Dont you think as a programmer I wouldn't be able to find a better easier way to make money out of my free time? I do this because I love the game that is why I play it and comment it and that probably is obvious to anyone but you...
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 02:01:59 AM
I never ever ever said I hate Tupac I said I do not trust him, two entirely different things, and I totally would stop anything I do with war2 here if he was to be admin here again.
Tupac is creepy AF and all I ever accused him of he admitted to do himself, and if you see nothing wrong with him being  in charge knowing the way he he acts on his anger and feelings its your own problem.

Also your version of the story differs from what IL had to say about the subject maybe you should ask him what he has to say about the whole situation you may learn some things.

I am not being paid by anyone for anything, IL and Tora and others asked me to be admin here but I refused many times, the only place I earned money from last year related to any of this is twitch when they gave me about 100$ after 4 years of content creation that was actually not related to war2 in anyways (game developement tutorials and game jams for an open source game engine (Godot)).

I dont know why the money I do is of such importance to you but whatever there you have it 100$ in 4 years woo I think you certainly have reasons to be jealous! If I was in all of this for the money I probably would have chosen another game and another source of content creation I am not THAT retarded tyvm...

DO I Need to show you a screenshot of my payout history from twitch to prove it now is that what you want to see?

Nobody cares about your twitch or tupac, why you bring so much stupidity and deviate the real subject. We talk about (you) protecting hacker and that zombie network and saying you are not admin when you literally say things like '' To be fair I dont even know why we are having this discussion in the first place that just wont happen :rofl: '' you are literally acting like one and laughin at us... Why are you also saying ''  and I totally would stop anything I do with war2 here if he was to be admin here again. '' I mean, for once maybe im wrong, maybe you are not paid by those cyber criminals to manipulate me, because you probably the worst stupid one they could find!! Everything you say make no sens at all. How stupid can you be, seem like there no limit.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 02:13:35 AM
Maybe this server is also a scientist experimentation about multiplayer gamers like us, a kind of mk ultra test.

Seing since many years how about peoples can be hang and fucked up there life for multiplayer games.

Maybe they just have study us?

Let's be honnest, it's pretty curious that a money grabber compagny like blizzard let a bunch of cyber criminals run that game and even shut down the entire sell of warcraft II for ever and just acting like they dont know about that criminal russian server.

I dont know what happen on this server, i dont know if it's zombie network, experimentation or maybe both of it, but something going wrong in here, it's pretty obvious.

And that guy that goes to joe rogan to talk about war2, what a fucking joke, think we are stupid at this point.

Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 02:22:43 AM
I know that will not happen because IL and Mistral have a brain and I trust them to be able to use it for these decisions that is why I dont need to be an admin...

Besides all of what you may say about them they are no tyrants, and they wont impose their own views and balance ideas on others like apparently you are advocating for.
They care about everyone including the oldest members and people that just want to play with their gog client or whatever and for which reinstalling all is just an unnecessary barrier that may just push them away.

They probably also know it is pointless to try and satisfy you since you probably will just throw shit at them the moment you run into any difficulty while installing/running the new version anyways.
And since you wont take the time to at least double check anything, why should they care?
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 02:39:28 AM
I know that will not happen because IL and Mistral have a brain and I trust them to be able to use it for these decisions that is why I dont need to be an admin...

Besides all of what you may say about them they are no tyrants, and they wont impose their own views and balance ideas on others like apparently you are advocating for.
They care about everyone including the oldest members and people that just want to play with their gog client or whatever and for which reinstalling all is just an unnecessary barrier that may just push them away.

They probably also know it is pointless to try and satisfy you since you probably will just throw shit at them the moment you run into any difficulty while installing/running the new version anyways.
And since you wont take the time to at least double check anything, why should they care?

'' i trust them '' You talk like you are the pope and you dont even realize it, Lol

And by the way, since you wanna talk about twitch, i would love to see you on cam... When it will happen?
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 02:59:40 AM
Well that engages only me of course, I do trust them and I could be wrong I am not denying that.

And if I happened to be horribly wrong about everything I would admit it like I did everytime I have been wrong in the past.
And if there are proven criminal stuff happening here behind the curtain like you say I would just let everyone know and leave. I wouldn't be just messing around piling up conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory... Because if I did and I ever found any proof of wrongdoing how would anyone believe me?

You probably know the tale of the boy who cried wolf, well that is certainly fitting you not me...

Until then, I have yet to be proven wrong...


IDK about the cam honestly maybe oneday. It just is not really what I want my content to focus on for the moment. I kinda look up to channels like T90(aoe2) and Turin(warhammer) and although they now show their faces from time to time it really is not the reason I go to see their streams and I actually prefer it that way for some reason as a watcher too. But maybe oneday ill do it I am not definitive on that one...

Also since you do have your camera on all the time I am curious how it feels like and why for you it was important to have it there?
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: (PLS DELETE MY ACC) on November 12, 2020, 04:10:55 AM
OK IM OFFICIALLY GETTING BRAIN WORMS JUST BY SKIMMING TRU EQ'S POSTS

LET ME DELETE MY ACCOUNT REAL KWIK
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 04:38:21 AM
Well that engages only me of course, I do trust them and I could be wrong I am not denying that.

And if I happened to be horribly wrong about everything I would admit it like I did everytime I have been wrong in the past.
And if there are proven criminal stuff happening here behind the curtain like you say I would just let everyone know and leave. I wouldn't be just messing around piling up conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory... Because if I did and I ever found any proof of wrongdoing how would anyone believe me?

You probably know the tale of the boy who cried wolf, well that is certainly fitting you not me...

Until then, I have yet to be proven wrong...


IDK about the cam honestly maybe oneday. It just is not really what I want my content to focus on for the moment. I kinda look up to channels like T90(aoe2) and Turin(warhammer) and although they now show their faces from time to time it really is not the reason I go to see their streams and I actually prefer it that way for some reason as a watcher too. But maybe oneday ill do it I am not definitive on that one...

Also since you do have your camera on all the time I am curious how it feels like and why for you it was important to have it there?


Pretty sure you will never show urself on camera, wich cyber criminal show his face lol.

And you act and try to hide the fact that u8 and way much more have hack the mpq for years and we are all crazy...  You think it's ok to make me look crazy when you know it's true?

And now you are here telling me you would told us if there was a worldwide mafia zombie network.... Stop taking me like a fool lol.

You also came to me 2 months ago on discord telling me i was right and you cant do shit against hackers because they have edited and hacked the mpq for over 20 years..

That even if you try to stop them it will be a huge fail and you just cant do shit...

Thats mean it's just better to play like that and being friend with them and acting like everything is fair right?

Do you want the video and the audio, i record it.

Ur a joke bro lol

Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 04:49:40 AM
Let me tell you something, if i was you, i would delete that damn forum before someone with some brain and more capacities then me start to investigate at ur criminal organisation.

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Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 05:34:49 AM
All I said you back then was common sense and still is...

If people can make map hacks for SC2, there is no reason to think it is possible to stop people from hacking a game like war2 which files and executable haven't changed in 25 years.
This is just a fairy tale and I am too old to start believing in one. I dont believe u8 is a hacker he never hid anything from anyone he always said he had modified his shortcuts there was no secrecy around that what so ever.

Just have a look at how u8 plays on his stream and you can tell he wins based on just good decisions based on informations visible on screen nothing more.
I also believe hacking is a non problem in our community anyways, we are a very small number of people no one forces anyone to play with anyone so if you do not like/trust someone you can just avoid playing him.

We have no random match making or anything of the sort what so ever, so ELO is almost irrelevant and ladder certainly is totally worthless. I am sorry, your rank doesn't mean shit, not when you can choose who you play against and when, not when we have less than 50 players that actually play at a decent level on a somewhat regular basis.

As long as players will be able to choose their games (for example only playing against players when they are exhausted, drunk or at the end of the day or during night time for them, or just on a day he seem to perform very badly etc...) there will be no point climbing that shit up it is just pointless.

There is just no sense in trying to have a competitive scene. None.
I understand I may upset a lot of people and that some people like you, really really need something to be proud of in life. But even then, I cant imagine anyone being that much retarded that he would hack his way up such that stupid ladder and then be proud about it... There is already not much pride left anyways...
I understand we do have some mentally challenged people in our community just maybe not that much :rofl:

Based on that I totally dont care if people stream snipe or else, when it happens it is just a game I loose or another griefed game, it sucks yes, and so what? I'm a grown man I am not going to cry about it... Ill just start the next one and if I really disliked playing with one other dude or if I thought he hacked ill boot him and continue playing without him as I am pretty sure all other normal players do. Before long the guy will have no one to play with...

If the only reason you play war2 is to be able to say you are the best at a 25 years old, deserted, game. Well congratulations, you certainly have very unique yet pathetic goals in life but dont assume everyone else has the same goals.

Ranking is just one way of knowing another player's strength but it will never replace watching him play. If people respect Lone or u8 it is not because they are 1 on the ladder regularly it is because they do play very well. That is why people respect them u8 could be 999th on the ladder if he plays the way he plays now people would still think highly of him...

That my friends is the hard truth.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 05:50:08 AM
For the sake of everyone I would totally encourage anyone that wants to investigate to have a look yes!

I dont mind at all actually, either they wont find anything which is probable because I dont believe there is anything to find or they find proof there is something wrong and then I was a fool and at least we dont just have conspiracy theories and other stupid baseless claims and we all know better.

So there is no loosing scenario here...

Why do you think I always send files for review to various virus labs. Because I am lazy to do all the checks myself yes, but also because I like having other people look at these things after all if it is all legit we have nothing to fear from oversight now do we?

But if someone does the check and finds nothing would you have to trust him then? Or would you rather trust someone that said he find something even if it is untrue or unproven?
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 06:08:38 AM
All I said you back then was common sense and still is...

If people can make map hacks for SC2, there is no reason to think it is possible to stop people from hacking a game like war2 which files and executable haven't changed in 25 years.
This is just a fairy tale and I am too old to start believing in one. I dont believe u8 is a hacker he never hid anything from anyone he always said he had modified his shortcuts there was no secrecy around that what so ever.

Just have a look at how u8 plays on his stream and you can tell he wins based on just good decisions based on informations visible on screen nothing more.
I also believe hacking is a non problem in our community anyways, we are a very small number of people no one forces anyone to play with anyone so if you do not like/trust someone you can just avoid playing him.

We have no random match making or anything of the sort what so ever, so ELO is almost irrelevant and ladder certainly is totally worthless. I am sorry, your rank doesn't mean shit, not when you can choose who you play against and when, not when we have less than 50 players that actually play at a decent level on a somewhat regular basis.

As long as players will be able to choose their games (for example only playing against players when they are exhausted, drunk or at the end of the day or during night time for them, or just on a day he seem to perform very badly etc...) there will be no point climbing that shit up it is just pointless.

There is just no sense in trying to have a competitive scene. None.
I understand I may upset a lot of people and that some people like you, really really need something to be proud of in life. But even then, I cant imagine anyone being that much retarded that he would hack his way up such that stupid ladder and then be proud about it... There is already not much pride left anyways...
I understand we do have some mentally challenged people in our community just maybe not that much :rofl:

Based on that I totally dont care if people stream snipe or else, when it happens it is just a game I loose or another griefed game, it sucks yes, and so what? I'm a grown man I am not going to cry about it... Ill just start the next one and if I really disliked playing with one other dude or if I thought he hacked ill boot him and continue playing without him as I am pretty sure all other normal players do. Before long the guy will have no one to play with...

If the only reason you play war2 is to be able to say you are the best at a 25 years old, deserted, game. Well congratulations, you certainly have very unique yet pathetic goals in life but dont assume everyone else has the same goals.

Ranking is just one way of knowing another player's strength but it will never replace watching him play if people respect Lone or u8 it is not because they are 1 on the ladder regularly it is because they do play very well. That is why people respect them u8 could be 999th on the ladder if he plays the way he plays now people would still think highly of him...

That my friends is the hard truth.

The probleme is not that you guys cant stop hackers, but the fact that you hide for many years the server is full of hackers... Even worst, not only you guys try to hide the fact there hackers whos hack the mpq for over 20 years but also try to make believe peoples are crazy to believe it.

Now you dont believe u8 is a hacker cuz he told you he was editing the mpq?

So if i follow ur logic, if i told you that i am editing the mpq to have map hack it will not be hacking cuz i told you truth? Lol dude....

U8 and way much more have literally hacks the mpq for years and years, and the fact that you try to act like it's not hacking, show how disonest you guys are.

If you guys were just a bit man and told us, you know what, we are sorry, we have been selfish and use programmar abilitys to gain advantage over other players while they dont even realize what happen here and we will try to fix that probleme the better as we can, then maybe you guys will be forgive and be a little bit more trustable.

But at the end you still try to act like everything is normal and we are all a bunch of retarded who dont have programmar knowlege to edited aka (hack) a code source gaming aka (mpq) to gain advantage over other peoples even if it's look fucking useless to ur eyes.

Now you are trying to act like if i worry about the ranking ladder, but never in my life i try to hack peoples, so i probably dont worry that much? If i was worring that much i would try to hacks like everyone else do? No?

Maybe i just think it's sad to see a bunch of hypocrite liar trying to make believe everyone they care about that community while in fact they are just a bunch of lying hypocrites.

Maybe it's just the probleme.... Seing dumb ass weirdo acting like funny and happy while they hacked peoples for over the last 15 years, maybe just being dissrespected is the probleme? No?

But you know what, at the end, what you think dosent matter at all, cuz you have never done anything for this server.... You act like you are a programmar, but you cant even make the hotkeys software, actually you try to stole money peoples to do that software... Did you not told us you will made it for 200$?

Did you ever do something for this server cel? Do you have any skills at this game? I mean, who the fuck are you at the end? You seem like that weirdo who join the server in 2016 acting like he was part of the community for many years while in fact nobody have never see him? What was is name already... Oh rit, is that rit?? something like that... Dude just appear like that in 2016 trying to act big on the server and disapear in 2017 when i was gone...

You guys are all bunch of troll liar and manipulator, creating fake identity and fake modo and fake admin to keep control over the community when big decision need to be take...

Now you are there mixing everything up, ''we dont cares if peoples like u8 hacks cuz there no competition on this server and nobody cares''  Thats the message right here, right?

But guess what, if there only 10% out of 100% who want challenge and cares about hacking, then we gonna give them what they want and you gonna shut ur fucking mouth, you will let that 10% play there competition legitly and you will play ur weird ass game alone. Cuz you dont worth no shit on this server, the peoples whos have been a true identity for over 15 years and being a true part of this community cares! Not you! Thats the family who take decision at the end, not a fucking cyber criminal troll like you without a true identity, sit back kid, you have no power here.

If i want to make you ban from 70% of every games, then guess what, you gonna be ban out of 70% of every games, and the only things you gonna do is join u8 games and play weird maps with those peoples you hate that much, wich mean people from USA server that play weird map with you, because other then that, nobody gonna play with you, believe it kid!

Nobody cares of being the best of a 25 years old game, but peoples cares of being respected and not being cheated by a bunch of programmer hacker trolls who called them retarded cuz they are not programmar to hacks a code source.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 06:22:45 AM
For the sake of everyone I would totally encourage anyone that wants to investigate to have a look yes!

I dont mind at all actually, either they wont find anything which is probable because I dont believe there is anything to find or they find proof there is something wrong and then I was a fool and at least we dont just have conspiracy theories and other stupid baseless claims and we all know better.

So there is no loosing scenario here...

Why do you think I always send files for review to various virus labs. Because I am lazy to do all the checks myself yes, but also because I like having other people look at these things after all if it is all legit we have nothing to fear from oversight now do we?

But if someone does the check and finds nothing would you have to trust him then? Or would you rather trust someone that said he find something even if it is untrue or unproven?

Everything you guys made are flag as virus backdoor trojan on almost 99% of every antivirus.

The forum is flag as malicious, the client is flag as malicious, most of the add on are flag as malicious, everything about that server is flag as malicious in every damn antivirus or firewall.

Check other forum about war2ru topic and every other community who talk about that server, they all came at the same conclusion, they dont wanna join the server because it's flag as malicious.

It's ALL around the net, just need couple of minutes to realize it with some minimum search on google.

But i guess everyone around the world internet are retarded too and only war2ru staff and u8 understand everything, right.

PS: I maybe can understand that 15 years old client can be flag as malicious due the old programmation it include, but having the forum flag as malicious is something that is clearly not suppose to happen.

We both know it, kid.

Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 06:38:19 AM
I know who really love this game, cuz you know what, i have been with them for the last 15 years, but in my heart, you are not part of them, for now you are just a weird ass mofo who join cyber criminal and protect them, you dont make any sens.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 06:39:58 AM
If you really cared you probably would go out of your way and try to prove your claims yet you dont. You apparently just like throwing  :poo: at people without proof, this is visibly your thing congrats... It doesn't take long to send a file to an antivirus that flagged it as a virus to see if it was a false positive not long at all... Did you do it?

You keep pointing fingers and coming up with new conspiracy theory one after the other and expect people to take you seriously.

Yes I joined late the server in about 2016  totally not denying that woohoo congrats you have been here longer than me, so what now? You are running a mafia is that what you are trying to say? You will litterally tell your people who they should like and play with and who they should not? Are you the cool popular guy in high school now? So not only you are ready to force everyone to play and download your balance changes and now this  :rofl:  :sweat:

Holy cow no wonder why people talk behind your back... And I am the one who is shady and acts like a mob boss or a criminal or a tyrant?
Have a good look in the mirror my dude... Do people really like / follow you like this? is that what I am supposed to believe?

Edit : Also, sorry but the time you have been on the server has absolutely no value to me I care no more no less about you than I will for the next random dude that will join the server in the next years to come. Just because you have been there longer does not mean you are any less of an asshole or that you care / understand any more about the game than him. It just mean you have been there longer than him that is all...
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 06:48:27 AM
If you really cared you probably would go out of your way and try to prove your claims yet you dont. You apparently just like throwing  :poo: at people without proof, this is visibly your thing congrats... It doesn't take long to send a file to an antivirus that flagged it as a virus to see if it was a false positive not long at all... Did you do it?

You keep pointing fingers and coming up with new conspiracy theory one after the other and expect people to take you seriously.

Yes I joined late the server in about 2016  totally not denying that woohoo congrats you have been here longer than me, so what now? You are running a mafia is that what you are trying to say? You will litterally tell your people who they should like and play with and who they should not? Are you the cool popular guy in high school now? So not only you are ready to force everyone to play and download your balance changes and now this  :rofl:  :sweat:

Holy cow no wonder why people talk behind your back... And I am the one who is shady and acts like a mob boss or a criminal or a tyrant?
Have a good look in the mirror my dude... Do people really like / follow you like this? is that what I am supposed to believe?

I dont have to run a mafia to get you boot out of a game, cuz it's gonna be done naturally, if we need room for someone, you gonna be the first to be boot over 70% of the community.

Nobody cares about you in the good or pro player cel, dont forgot i am the one who told peoples to let you join there games cuz everyone was booting you.

You can think what you want, but even if peoples talkshit in my back they always gonna boot you if i told them, people know who i am and what i does for this server, while they still try to figure who you really are.  :newthumbsup:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 07:06:26 AM
Good thing I am talking shit to your face then.  :kissing_heart:

I am a simple person I talk to people their truth and I dont talk shit on others in their back. I dont play petty schemes. This is why I defend U8 when you attack him without proof of hacking besides his shortcuts, just like I defended Tupac even if I did not trust him back then when people accused him of hacking the server without proof. Just like I defended you when people talked shit about you and I disagreed.
I dont play these stupid games but I am frank and if I think you are just acting like a douchebag I will tell you like it or not...

Now you can hate me for it I dont care, you can tell your friends whatever you want, in the end it is their loss if they only rely on you on that kind of judgement it would only mean they are not too bright these friends of yours...
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 07:11:22 AM
Good thing I am talking shit to your face then.  :kissing_heart:

I am a simple person I talk to people their truth and I dont talk shit on others in their back. I dont play petty schemes. This is why I defend U8 when you attack him without proof of hacking besides his shortcuts, just like I defended Tupac even if I did not trust him back then when people accused him of hacking the server without proof. Just like I defended you when people talked shit about you and I disagreed.
I dont play these stupid games but I am frank and if I think you are just acting like a douchebag I will tell you like it or not...

Now you can hate me for it I dont care, you can tell your friends whatever you want, in the end it is their loss if they only rely on you on that kind of judgement it would only mean they are not too bright these friends of yours... Keep it up son


Yeah pretty sure that U8 saying himself that he hacked the mpq is not a proof lol.

I remember when you guys was trying to make believe peoples the lamp chop add on was hacking while it was an update in the new patch client, but u8 hacking the mpq for his own personal purpose is not hacking at all, i love how you are full of truth .  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 07:18:00 AM
He said he modified his hotkeys and his colors and made his custom campaign that is all...
He never said he hacked or played with an unfair advantage did he?
And all the changes he made to his MPQ he let people have. Hell he even ask random people if they want him to send them his MPQ on stream for the longest time...

How is that being untruthfull and unfair? Are you sure you are not the one being totally dishonest here attacking him on that?

I never said Lambchop made a hack I said it gives infos players do not normally have which creates an unfair advantage IF players do not know when people use the plugin or not (that was for the visible chop bars plugin). All I ever said about his plugin is I believed it would be best if there was a common way to know when a player is using that or not so that people do not feel cheated on...

Basically just said it is nice if people can disable or enable it in their games. Exactly the same stance I have about paladins auto-heal stuff. I believe it is better if it is bound to maps/scenario so that hosts can host and choose what they want to play.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 07:43:32 AM
Just answer this:

When a player warns me he will be watching me on stream even if I put him in the enemy team before I start the game, if I decide to still put him in the enemy team knowing that, am I still being cheated on? Or am I just allowing him that advantage and taking it into account?

The point is simple: cheating starts when you start hiding information not when you let it known before the game. If u8 joined my game and told me he had a map hack on, first I probably would not let him play but if I did well I would have only myself to blame for it...

Now if you tell me U8 is hacking the game behind other people's back and cheating on other players you need some proof of that, because that is an entirely different thing...
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 07:46:44 AM
He said he modified his hotkeys and his colors and made his custom campaign that is all...
He never said he hacked or played with an unfair advantage did he?
And all the changes he made to his MPQ he let people have. Hell he even ask random people if they want him to send them his MPQ on stream for the longest time...

How is that being untruthfull and unfair? Are you sure you are not the one being totally dishonest here attacking him on that?

I never said Lambchop made a hack I said it gives infos players do not normally have which creates an unfair advantage IF players do not know when people use the plugin or not (that was for the visible chop bars plugin). All I ever said about his plugin is I believed it would be best if there was a common way to know when a player is using that or not so that people do not feel cheated on...


''He said he modified his hotkeys and his colors'' 

Yeah and guess how we call that?? Hacking fucking genius... And this is only what he told us, we dont fucking know everything he had modify, and probably nobody would know about his hotkeys and colors if he was not streaming, so he would have never say it.... We only know what he told us, but what he can do with the MPQ have no limit and since he edit a campain he probably know everything about that entire code source and can do it for the multiplayer mode.

'' Cheating in video games involves a video game player using various methods to create an advantage beyond normal gameplay, in order to make the game easier. [/b]Cheats may be activated from within the game itself (a cheat code implemented by the original game developers), or created by third-party software (a game trainer or debugger) or hardware (a cheat cartridge).

'' Modification of runtime game data

Cheating can easily be achieved by modifying the game's data while it is running. These methods of cheating are often less reliable than cheat codes included in a game by its creators. [b]This is due to the fact that certain programming styles or quirks of internal game logic, different release versions of a game, or even using the same game at different times or on different hardware, may result in different memory usage and hence the trainer program might have no effect, or stop the game from running altogether.[13] Modifying game data usually constitutes a violation of a software license agreement that prohibits modifying the program at all. ''
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Now what U8 have done is this!

'' Game code modification
Many cheats are implemented by modifying game software, despite EULAs which forbid modification. While game software distributed in binary-only versions makes it harder to modify code, reverse engineering is possible. Also game data files can be edited separately from the main program and thereby circumvent protections implemented in software. ''

''Reverse engineering, also called backwards engineering or back engineering, is the process by which an artificial object is deconstructed to reveal its designs, architecture, code or to extract knowledge from the object. It is similar to scientific research, the only difference being that scientific research occurs for a natural phenomenon.[1]:3

Reverse engineering is applicable in the fields of computer engineering, mechanical engineering, electronic engineering, software engineering, chemical engineering,[2] and systems biology.[3]''

So is this not what U8 does? Did he not extract the MPQ of warcraft II and deconstructed his code source to know what exactly does what?? And when he find what does what he dint change the CODE source of the mpq himself to use it at his own personal purpose?

This is Hacking dude...

Using various method to get advantage over other loyal player that still play on the basic game that it suppose to be.

Ur boy is a fucking hacker, whatever you say, he is a fucking hacker and you protect him and telling other they are crazy.

Ur a shame dude, stop lying and manipulate peoples, thats the only fucking truth, u8 and many more have hacks, end of story, period, you all should excuse to the community.

U8 editing the code source for his own personal purpose is definitly hacking, even if it seem useless to ur eye, THIS IS HACKING, period!


Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Szwagier on November 12, 2020, 07:54:56 AM
Cel you are waste ur time
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 07:56:17 AM
You are missing the most important part of all:

It is one thing that a lot of people have been looking and modifying the game but what makes them white hats is they are not doing it behind your back. This is how we got so many plugins and new things throughout the years...
They tell you everything they have done they are not doing it behind your back or whatever, this is what separates cheaters of the rest.

This would be different if they were actually doing that in your back without telling you. Now if you can prove me U8 is using a hack behind other people's back without letting people know about it then OK I will stop defending him. That is the deal...
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 08:04:15 AM
You are missing the most important part of all:

It is one thing that a lot of people have been looking and modifying the game but what makes them white hats is they are not doing it behind your back. This is how we got so many plugins and new things throughout the years...
They tell you everything they have done they are not doing it behind your back or whatever, this is what separates cheaters of the rest.

This would be different if they were actually doing that in your back without telling you. Now if you can prove me U8 is using a hack behind other people's back without letting people know about it then OK I will stop defending him. That is the deal...

No dude, it's not how it fucking work.

If peoples want to make experimentation to devlopp add on, they do it on a back up server where they can test it alone between programmars..

They also can make a beta server for player who wanna give there advice.. Like... Hey guys we made new add on and we wanna know ur opinion on it before we release it on a new PATCH for the main server...

So not only programmars can test the new add on but they also can invite normal player to test them on a back up (beta) server...

But editing the code source and use that edition for ur personal purpose for years and years before told truth and say everyone are retarded and not enouph smart to do military programmation wich called ( REVERSES INGENERING ) is totally hacking dude...

You just cant edit the code source and using it for yourself on the main server where everyone play on the same step excepting you and a couples nerd programmars.


Not only you guys are hacking us, but also dissrespecting us.

This is hacking, end of story, stop trying to defend hackers, this is hacking, END OF STORY, TRUE STORY!

Just say fucking sorry like a man and find a way to fix that probleme, or just fucking kill me bro because im gonna keep to speak my mind untill i die.. I will always expose the truth i dont fucking cares bro.

I have deal with the hacking for many years, but hacking us and try to still conviced us that we are the retarded one, never dude, you will fucking excuse yourself to the community are you will be flag as what you are, a fucking hacker who protect cyber criminal.

And also! Even if he told us, it's still hacking, because at the end, hes the only one who have benefit of this editations, is research and work have not beeen share with the community, his research and work have been use for his own personal purpose, im sorry, but it's hacking.

Period.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Vendar on November 12, 2020, 08:16:10 AM
Chess and Go has been played for ages and feature exactly the same pawns on both sides war2 is not very far from that actually.

I don't want to make a war here like you guys :D But for me War2 is very far from being "a chess type of game", mostly because two races are not equal.
War2 is a game where one race dominates second. If you will make dual between two players at the same skill level, one will play as orc, second as human, there is no chance for human player to wins vs orc player. Maybe if they will be limited to Keep/Strongholds, than yes, human player can win a match, but with full upgrades Bloodlust just destroys everything.


Warcraft 2's unique beauty relies on its simplicity: every unit in in war2 is useful,

Archers/trolls are in most cases useless. Same thing with Skeletons. Catas sometimes are useful... sometimes.
Most spells are useless.

Stop wanting to make warcraft 2 another game please...

Rebalancing patch could help War2 to get new players, but I understand that if someone played this game for 25 years than he wouldn't accept any changes. Maybe War2.ru should have two version of this game: old and balanced?

On the same note Starcraft and Wc3 have about the same number of units per race than war2, except that in one game you will probably never see all of them needed and used at once like you do in war2...

You will probably never see Archers/Trolls in GoW type of maps and you will probably never see orc vs human matches.

Watch some Starcraft 1 matches. There are matches between pro players where every unit is used. Last time (yes, there are still new tactics after so many years!) Protoss players start to use Scouts. When last time War2 had some new tactics? In 1999, when people discovered that Invisiblity is good for killing enemy workers?

War2 was my first PC game, I like this game a lot, nostalgia etc. but to be objective and honest, Starcraft 1 is far better than War2, because it's balanced game with dozens of interesting tactics.
I wish War3 followed Starcraft 1 instead of making some boring RPG/RTS mix.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 08:22:52 AM
Stop wanting to make warcraft 2 another game please...


The only reason why they dont wanna change the game OR EVEN TRY IT, is that one.

different release versions of a game, or even using the same game at different times or on different hardware, may result in different memory usage and hence the trainer program might have no effect, or stop the game from running altogether.

If they change something like auto heal, they will need to modify the code source of the game, and if they change the code source of the game, then everyone will have to download the new patch wich mean a new code source...

If they do that, all those hackers who have edited the code source themself, for different hotkeys, different colors, different language are whatever difference we dont know, they would have to fix it back again from the new patch code source.. Because if they dont, it will make crash between those different code source version.

Admins know that, because they know alot of player haved hacked the mpq and now they probaly just scare to lose all those hackers because most of them will be mad to do that work all over again.

Different code source bring corruption wich mean bring crash!

So they prefere to protect oldschool veteran hackers over loyal community who would enjoy nice modification.

They have cock block EVERY GAMEPLAY modification for over 15 years, dont ask yourself why.

Enouph of being stupid to make them happy, time to tell the truth.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Winchester on November 12, 2020, 08:45:57 AM
a fairly healthy global winrate in race vs race matchups should be between 47-53%, considering war2 only has 2 races, it should be slightly closer, yet the pickrate + winrate of the second race is so drastically low. you'd be really generous in saying it's a 20% global winrate for humans. And that's including customs.

I don't think auto heal or aoe heal would even increase winrate in the race matchup by 15%, but it would be a start.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 08:50:19 AM
a fairly healthy global winrate in race vs race matchups should be between 47-53%, considering war2 only has 2 races, it should be slightly closer, yet the pickrate + winrate of the second race is so drastically low. you'd be really generous in saying it's a 20% global winrate for humans. And that's including customs.

I don't think auto heal or aoe heal would even increase winrate in the race matchup by 15%, but it would be a start.

We both have played Heroes of the storm and we both know how a legit server is running.

When something is wrong they buffed or nerf it, they made the change and release it on a beta server for a month where everyone will give there opinion before the final update on the main server.

If it's still a probleme then they fix it on the next patch, but peoples dont fix there own code source for there personal purpose and acting like they do that for the community while in fact they have use that alone for years and years. in our back.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 08:51:36 AM
I dream about the day that someone goes to blizzcon for a gaming competition and told to blizzard he must change is code source for his personal purpose.

The entire blizzcon will laugh of that guy so hard, only war2ru staff and u8 will act like the entire blizzcon are retarded lololol  :sob: :sob: :sob:

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Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 09:02:12 AM
Well first I never tempered myself with any of the game's files ever so that definition also does not apply to me but whatever it does not look like you would care.

Secondly as I said U8 told everyone who would hear it that he had modified his hotkeys when he did, if that is not the truth you have to prove it...
Then if you still allow him in your games knowing he has edited shortcuts it is on you. Just like if you told me you had a map hack on and I let you play in my games.

There is no cheating if we agree on the terms of the game before it starts. If you dont want to play with U8 when he has his hotkeys changed you either agree with him not to use them or you dont play with him. There is no cheating if he is coming clean with it up front. Also it isnot like he was not helping anyone who asked politely to do the same for themselves.

If at Blizzcon it was allowed to play with that or that other hack it would be said in the rules and allowed before games start. The rules players agree on are what makes a cheat a cheat.

@Vendar
 
Spoiler
Although not all the spells are used (it is true and that can totally be fixed by tweaking mana costs there and there), all units are used and needed to win. Just because you need many more ogres than trolls to win does not mean trolls are not the best and quickest option to defend a wall sometimes or fight off a drake or prevent repairs... War2 is not a game about managing your army like starcraft. In war2 managing the space/grid is pretty much all that matters and catapults are the only units that can out-range towers and juggernauts you remove them from the game and you have almost no answers to both these threats...

Then again this is why we should keep these balance patches and updates to map making, so that we can have both the original maps and balance and custom balance maps experiments running at the same time and players can choose what they want to play that way...

War2 is a chess like game because the Grid plays like a real time chessboard. Place your tower one tile off and you loose, run into a chokepoint without thinking and you loose this is what war2 is all about. War2 could be played with no races at all and basic shapes in place of all the fancy looking stuff it would still be an interesting game to play and watch. And no Bloodlust is not that much stronger that you can win against a better player than you if he is going humans otherwise braviet would never loose to u8 or lone when they play human and go late game. It does not matter if you have lust if you fail at  managing the space/grid you still loose, you place your stuff wrong you loose...

Bloodlust is op yes but we are not talking swarm host kind of op here, if you ever were playing sc2 back when that stupidity was a thing... It does not overshadow everything else so much that the rest is totally being thrown aside once you reach it. Deathknights are the ultimate unit of the late game not lusted ogres.  :blank:.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Winchester on November 12, 2020, 09:02:57 AM
Speaking of Heroes, I got level 999 Abathur couple months back, which is max level for a hero. That was a fun grind. Playing alot of  the lost vikings now.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 09:24:39 AM
Well first I never tempered myself with any of the game's files ever so that definition also does not apply to me but whatever it does not look like you would care.

Secondly as I said U8 told everyone who would hear it that he had modified his hotkeys when he did, if that is not the truth you have to prove it...
Then if you still allow him in your games knowing he has edited shortcuts it is on you. Just like if you told me you had a map hack on and I let you play in my games.

There is no cheating if we agree on the terms of the game before it starts. If you dont want to play with U8 when he has his hotkeys changed you either agree with him not to use them or you dont play with him. There is no cheating if he is coming clean with it up front. Also it isnot like he was not helping anyone who asked politely to do the same for themselves.

If at Blizzcon it was allowed to play with that or that other hack it would be said in the rules and allowed before games start. The rules players agree on are what makes a cheat a cheat.

You may not be concerne by those change modification, but for someone who give is advices in every fucking threads like if is opinion matter, you should stand far of those kind of hackers.

You maybe not concern by those modification but you are protecting those peoples and you became a part of the probleme, even more when we all know you have strange link with iL, you act like ur not an admin but at the end you act like one and they use you to solve probleme with other user because they cant do it themself.

Second, nobody cares that he told it, it's still hacking, are you that so fucking stupid, seem like you the biggest retard of all time, i just cant believe it, cant be true lol.

Anyway why peoples would want to play with him? That dude cant even force himself to speak english with the community, not only that he cheat and dissrespect peoples, but he also spam the channel, the lobby and the game all day long with language that nobody understand.

Hes fucking a joke bro, a little nerd hacker whos dosent cares about nobody except himself.


'' There is no cheating if we agree on the terms of the game before it starts. If you dont want to play with U8 when he has his hotkeys changed you either agree with him not to use them or you dont play with him. There is no cheating if he is coming clean with it up front. Also it isnot like he was not helping anyone who asked politely to do the same for themselves. ''


Must be the retardest think i ever eard, those kind of therm are about map, setting, kotr and things like that... But hacking is not therm, hacking is ban in every fucking game you can imagine, there no therm about hacking cuz in other game you dont even have time to hack that you are already ban if you get caught...

Who the fuck will agree to play with someone that hacks, just sound like you have nothing serious to say and ur throwing every fucking stupidity you can imagine to save the face....

Bro are you fucking serious, just follow u8 advice and stop talking with me, cuz every word that goes out of ur mouth is always more stupid then the last one...

It's amazing dude.

I just imagine blizzcon telling to 2 different hackers, hey guys you both can hack the code source if you agree, what a fucking retard you are bro...

Sorry i dont wanna be mean with you, but stop being that retarded, its insulting lol

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Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 09:29:22 AM
Speaking of Heroes, I got level 999 Abathur couple months back, which is max level for a hero. That was a fun grind. Playing alot of  the lost vikings now.


 Bro you broke the game for sure lololol :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Winchester on November 12, 2020, 09:33:48 AM
Speaking of Heroes, I got level 999 Abathur couple months back, which is max level for a hero. That was a fun grind. Playing alot of  the lost vikings now.


 Bro you broke the game for sure lololol :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob:

Lol yeah, illidan is my second highest at level 191, pull him out if someone else wants to play abathur XD
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 09:36:09 AM
And by the way Cel, stop telling me i must proof this and that, im tire of that retarded excuse.. I have nothing to proof, YOU must proof peoples dont hacks, cuz you guys are the one who allow hacking possible, not me.

Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Vendar on November 12, 2020, 09:42:07 AM
Spoiler
Although not all the spells are used (it is true and that can totally be fixed by tweaking mana costs there and there), all units are used and needed to win. Just because you need many more ogres than trolls to win does not mean trolls are not the best and quickest option to defend a wall sometimes or fight off a drake or prevent repairs... War2 is not a game about managing your army like starcraft. In war2 managing the space/grid is pretty much all that matters and catapults are the only units that can out-range towers and juggernauts you remove them from the game and you have almost no answers to both these threats...

Then again this is why we should keep these balance patches and updates to map making, so that we can have both the original maps and balance and custom balance maps experiments running at the same time and players can choose what they want to play that way...

War2 is a chess like game because the Grid plays like a real time chessboard. Place your tower one tile off and you loose, run into a chokepoint without thinking and you loose this is what war2 is all about. War2 could be played with no races at all and basic shapes in place of all the fancy looking stuff it would still be an interesting game to play and watch. And no Bloodlust is not that much stronger that you can win against a better player than you if he is going humans otherwise braviet would never loose to u8 or lone when they play human and go late game. It does not matter if you have lust if you fail at  managing the space/grid you still loose, you place your stuff wrong you loose...

Bloodlust is op yes but we are not talking swarm host kind of op here, if you ever were playing sc2 back when that stupidity was a thing... It does not overshadow everything else so much that the rest is totally being thrown aside once you reach it. Deathknights are the ultimate unit of the late game not lusted ogres.  :blank:.

I get your point now and maybe you have right. Still balance between races is broken, but maybe like you said, simply mana cost tweaks can fix it.
First of all Healing should heals better, maybe even 1 mana for 1 hitpoint. Maybe also Polymorph should be cheaper? I would like to see some buffs for Raise Dead and Slow to see these spells in action sometimes.
Anyway, good discussion Cel, have a nice day  :slight_smile:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 10:07:49 AM
Spoiler
Although not all the spells are used (it is true and that can totally be fixed by tweaking mana costs there and there), all units are used and needed to win. Just because you need many more ogres than trolls to win does not mean trolls are not the best and quickest option to defend a wall sometimes or fight off a drake or prevent repairs... War2 is not a game about managing your army like starcraft. In war2 managing the space/grid is pretty much all that matters and catapults are the only units that can out-range towers and juggernauts you remove them from the game and you have almost no answers to both these threats...

Then again this is why we should keep these balance patches and updates to map making, so that we can have both the original maps and balance and custom balance maps experiments running at the same time and players can choose what they want to play that way...

War2 is a chess like game because the Grid plays like a real time chessboard. Place your tower one tile off and you loose, run into a chokepoint without thinking and you loose this is what war2 is all about. War2 could be played with no races at all and basic shapes in place of all the fancy looking stuff it would still be an interesting game to play and watch. And no Bloodlust is not that much stronger that you can win against a better player than you if he is going humans otherwise braviet would never loose to u8 or lone when they play human and go late game. It does not matter if you have lust if you fail at  managing the space/grid you still loose, you place your stuff wrong you loose...

Bloodlust is op yes but we are not talking swarm host kind of op here, if you ever were playing sc2 back when that stupidity was a thing... It does not overshadow everything else so much that the rest is totally being thrown aside once you reach it. Deathknights are the ultimate unit of the late game not lusted ogres.  :blank:.

I get your point now and maybe you have right. Still balance between races is broken, but maybe like you said, simply mana cost tweaks can fix it.
First of all Healing should heals better, maybe even 1 mana for 1 hitpoint. Maybe also Polymorph should be cheaper? I would like to see some buffs for Raise Dead and Slow to see these spells in action sometimes.
Anyway, good discussion Cel, have a nice day  :slight_smile:

Changing mana cost is the worst thing to ever do, peoples have learn to play with a specific timing for over 25 years...

If lusting cost an ogers 50 mana and 50 mana take 1 minutes to grow up, then if you change the mana cost you will also have to change the duration time it take to grow that new cost of mana to keep that same timing peoples have learn over the last 15 years.

Other then that, peoples will be all fucked up about timing and it will change the entire meta of the game.

But Cel is definitily a pro player who already know that, it's obvious.  :-X

If we want to balance both race equal, we must fix human, cuz at least if we fucked up, it will have almost no repercution at all since we all play with orcs.

Trying to fix orc to balance human is the worst thing to do, ORC is the barre, human is the race we want to raise at that barre.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Vendar on November 12, 2020, 10:56:16 AM

Changing mana cost is the worst thing to ever do, peoples have learn to play with a specific timing for over 25 years...

If lusting cost an ogers 50 mana and 50 mana take 1 minutes to grow up, then if you change the mana cost you will also have to change the duration time it take to grow that new cost of mana to keep that same timing peoples have learn over the last 15 years.

Other then that, peoples will be all fucked up about timing and it will change the entire meta of the game.

But Cel is definitily a pro player who already know that, it's obvious.  :-X

If we want to balance both race equal, we must fix human, cuz at least if we fucked up, it will have almost no repercution at all since we all play with orcs.

Trying to fix orc to balance human is the worst thing to do, ORC is the barre, human is the race we want to raise at that barre.

Agree. For orc I would just do something with Raise Dead to make this spell useful. Maybe reduce this spell cost to 25 mana and maybe Skeletons should be have Grunt/Footman stats and speed attack? And that's all, in my opinion, with orcs.

Everything else should be fixes for human to make this race playable against Bloodlust.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Szwagier on November 12, 2020, 02:25:11 PM
who would make army of skeletons and waste lot of time, instead just rape enemy with dnd?



autoheal could be fun, only if we can disable/enable it, cause sometimes holyvision or exorcism is more important, like when u are going with full mana to insta kill dk (240 mana) but he gets hit from enemy and he use mana for heal  :sweat:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on November 12, 2020, 02:54:10 PM
other rts are lame, it's a beats b, b beats c, and c beats a. warcraft 2 is about positioning, mirco an control, knowing when to hit and when to defend not certain unit type beats this unit type. thats what makes it fun, not ops built wrong type of unit, autoloss. and humans should be weak, why races gotta be balanced? its better havin a handicap race, wea u gotta play better to win most the time. a race to challenge yourself. humans are a macro race, lusting takes focus and time, humans have more time to focus on expanding and macro.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 12, 2020, 05:31:18 PM
other rts are lame, it's a beats b, b beats c, and c beats a. warcraft 2 is about positioning, mirco an control, knowing when to hit and when to defend not certain unit type beats this unit type. thats what makes it fun, not ops built wrong type of unit, autoloss. and humans should be weak, why races gotta be balanced? its better havin a handicap race, wea u gotta play better to win most the time. a race to challenge yourself. humans are a macro race, lusting takes focus and time, humans have more time to focus on expanding and macro.

Well i understand what you mean and thats exactly why i think we should give a try to auto heal, because at the end it change absolutly nothing in a direct fight, orc will still crush human pretty easy... The only difference is if you are good at microing and know when to ran out of a fight at the right time, you will probably save ur knights and then being ready to get back in combat.

Human will not really be stronger but only more strategic with good microing and patience.

By the way, i dont believe this argument where peoples say human are better then orc at macroing..... Human have absolutly no advantage at all at making expantion and taking control of the map, if you take someone like spb and ask him to play human as the same way that he play orc, it's gonna be the same thing, the only difference is spb gonna get crush with human cuz they are just bad at the end compare to orc.

The only advantage that human really have, is the fact that some of the upgrade cost less in wood then the orcs, wich mean you can save wood to put more pressure at ur opponent for tower or cats while you rush.

Since weapons cost no wood at all, you still can do a pretty nice rush but also can towers and cats quickers then orcs since you have save that wood.

Wich mean HUMAN are an early agressive race, when orcs is more a passive late race.

The other advantage that human can have, but not really good in old gow since you must choke almost everywhere or chop wood and making little wall beside the mine, is the fact that you can do a better dual rush then orc, because here again the upgrade of the shield will save you wood for that miracle farm that stock you when you dual rush because you have no wood.

Thats why human where really popular on GOW BT NET F in the past, cuz actually people where using human to do a great dual rush compare to orc who where struggling to keep the rythm... But on old gow its a different thing.

The goal with human is being agressive on early game and dont let breath ur oponnent any second, other then that, orc will always being better then human in late game.

Early game = Human
Mid game = Neutral
Late game = Orcs ( The probleme here, is late game can dure 1 hour, compare to early game wich dure 5-10 minutes only )
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Vendar on November 12, 2020, 06:15:16 PM
who would make army of skeletons and waste lot of time, instead just rape enemy with dnd?

That's were I was talking about new units  :slight_smile: Necrolyte from War1 would fit here for orcs, as a magician unit in early orc gameplay. Imagine army of Grunts and one/two Necrolytes behind them to raise corpses after a battle with humans. But without new units I agree that it could be very difficult to find this spell useful with DK. Maybe in case when you are waiting for new Ogres but still DnD seems to be a better choice.

humans are a macro race, lusting takes focus and time, humans have more time to focus on expanding and macro.

Just like Equinox said - that's simply not true. Humans are not a macro race, they have same economic as orcs. They are just a lot weaker in later game and you have to have 2x bigger army to deal with Ogre Mages or just clicks a lot faster than your opponent to kill all Ogres with Blizzard before he figure it out.

In 1990's Blizzard company didn't care about balance for War1 and War2. They just released War1, one year later War2, and next they focus on Starcraft.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on November 12, 2020, 07:25:15 PM
U guys are not seeing the point on why i said they are a macro race


Lusting and getting not caught unlusted is mirco intensive, sometimes i am macroing my halls, and i have to just drop whatever i am doing and quickly switch my focus to lusting my ogres to lust so they dont get caught unlusted. Humans dont have this problem, they A move with knights or run away, quick actions interms of mirco, giving more time for the human player to utilize on macro


Yes both have same economy but lust forces the orc to focus attention on being lusted, humans have those few seconds extra were they dont and have to make up for not having lust with more focus on macro
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 07:37:28 PM
What timing are you even talking about LOL...

The way it stands right now there are no "timings" when the orc player reaches Lust there is absolutely no down time you can just turn off your brain and spam lust all the freaking time even to go scout a random part of the map there is no reason not to, you can keep it up all the time you might as well add an auto-lust to the game at this point...
Balance does not only matter between races it matters in the tech-tree as well. If you increase the cost of lust in mana you allow other spells to be used other stuff to happen in the down times. You have suddenly a decision to make are you going to lust or are you going to wait a bit more for runes. You still have the same powerfull lust that still allow you to break through shit when you reach it and take advantageous trades, but you add down times that make other things more relevant too.

I know you were never the smartest one when it came to gameplay but if your "pro" timing is basically just putting your brain in the trash can when you reach lust and spam that B button without thinking twice all the time, maybe we should just add an auto-lust that does it for you at this point this is just retarded.

Like szwagier said auto-lust auto-heal is a bad idea because it basically is saying fuck any other options lets allow people to spam shit and spam it for them.

The game should be about making these micro decisions what to use and when, not automating the whole freaking thing so that you can afford right clicking on the map without using your brain... If you want to fix the game fix the mana and research costs of things so that there is a decision to be made and not just a chain of stupid no-brainers... You might have to learn how to use your brain more during games yup. I dont think it is a bad thing to change that at all. Anyways we all will be able to try whatever we want when the update is up and we shall see...
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on November 12, 2020, 08:54:53 PM
 those few seconds not lusting those ogres could be spent doing another round of peasants and walling an expo. With lust you have to keep your focus back to always being lusted. Its not really even a few seconds if you think about late game you are basically constantly casting lust 50% of your time playing.


U8 does fine vs lusted players with humans, do you think his mirco is that much better x3 better then a lusted ogre? no hes winning because his macro is out doing the advantage damage output of lust and with humans you simply have more time to macro because you are not casting lust every 2 seconds.

also i have no idea what you are talking about auto-casting lust. I never said anything about that, I am against any changes to gameplay.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 12, 2020, 09:03:55 PM
I was answering equinox not you, I am also against automating gameplay :rofl:

All I say is if there is any balance changes to be made it should be just tweaking numbers not changing game mechanics and certainly not encouraging spamming and automated actions.  :thumbsup:

And yes I agree the way we human players win against orcs is by focussing on gaining a macro advantage early and pushing it. Or taking advantage of key chokes and area of the maps to make sure orcs spend more gold than they can afford to and run out of steam before we break.
You can play orcs exactly the same way too, but the difference is you do not have to because you have these other powerful options available to you.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on November 12, 2020, 09:46:12 PM
oh so sorry bro, disregard my comments i actually can't even remember how u play/playstyle. fk wat an idiot i am
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Szwagier on November 12, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
I disagree necrolyte is the worst unit, and i never do them, skeletons weak, unholy a bit better but ai will switch target without unholy if there is more than one unit

I think you never played w1 online? Archers cats op


Also humans are good in diffrent map, special water maps, when orc player just cant attack non stop with lust
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Vendar on November 13, 2020, 02:06:19 AM
I disagree necrolyte is the worst unit, and i never do them, skeletons weak, unholy a bit better but ai will switch target without unholy if there is more than one unit

I think you never played w1 online? Archers cats op


Also humans are good in diffrent map, special water maps, when orc player just cant attack non stop with lust

Yes, I played only campaigns in War1 and never online. My point is to add Necrolyte as new unit for War2 and make them (and Skeletons) useful. For example let Necrolyte be available in early game (with Great Hall). Give them three spells: Death Coil (researched), Raise Dead and Haste. Change Raise Dead cost to 25 mana and buff Skeletons to 60Hp and dmg 3-6.
In late game add new upgrade "Upgrades Into Death Knight" to transform every Necrolyte into Death Knight (same way as Ogres -> Ogre-Mages). Death Knights will be able to learn next three spells, so the late game will stay the same.
What is more, this change will be lore friendly, cause orcish Necrolytes/Warlocks changed into Death Knights in the lore  ^-^

About War1 - to be honest, I like only roads in this game :D Like you said Archers and Catas are op and later mass Warlocks/Wizards to summoning Daemons/Water Elementals.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 13, 2020, 02:47:34 AM
U guys are not seeing the point on why i said they are a macro race


Lusting and getting not caught unlusted is mirco intensive, sometimes i am macroing my halls, and i have to just drop whatever i am doing and quickly switch my focus to lusting my ogres to lust so they dont get caught unlusted. Humans dont have this problem, they A move with knights or run away, quick actions interms of mirco, giving more time for the human player to utilize on macro


Yes both have same economy but lust forces the orc to focus attention on being lusted, humans have those few seconds extra were they dont and have to make up for not having lust with more focus on macro

I can understand ur point, at some point... I mean yeah you can avoid the lusting part, but you just cant send all ur units somwhere and dosent cares anymore, actually if you send them somewhere and there ogers or tower or anything, you need need even more micro to keep them alive.... The fact is ogers, dosent need that much UC... If i lust them and i send them somewhere, i dont have to cares of them anymore because they gonna rape everything... So actually i almost can have a better macro then human since human would need alot of uc to keep them alive or do alot of dmg quickly... So like i said it dosent really change anything.... If we both meet each other on middle and i am lust, believe me you will micro those knights to stay alive while i will macro at my base....

Like i say the only real difference between them is early and late game..

At least thats my point of view.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 13, 2020, 02:51:29 AM
What timing are you even talking about LOL...

The way it stands right now there are no "timings" when the orc player reaches Lust there is absolutely no down time you can just turn off your brain and spam lust all the freaking time even to go scout a random part of the map there is no reason not to, you can keep it up all the time you might as well add an auto-lust to the game at this point...
Balance does not only matter between races it matters in the tech-tree as well. If you increase the cost of lust in mana you allow other spells to be used other stuff to happen in the down times. You have suddenly a decision to make are you going to lust or are you going to wait a bit more for runes. You still have the same powerfull lust that still allow you to break through shit when you reach it and take advantageous trades, but you add down times that make other things more relevant too.

I know you were never the smartest one when it came to gameplay but if your "pro" timing is basically just putting your brain in the trash can when you reach lust and spam that B button without thinking twice all the time, maybe we should just add an auto-lust that does it for you at this point this is just retarded.

Like szwagier said auto-lust auto-heal is a bad idea because it basically is saying fuck any other options lets allow people to spam shit and spam it for them.

The game should be about making these micro decisions what to use and when, not automating the whole freaking thing so that you can afford right clicking on the map without using your brain... If you want to fix the game fix the mana and research costs of things so that there is a decision to be made and not just a chain of stupid no-brainers... You might have to learn how to use your brain more during games yup. I dont think it is a bad thing to change that at all. Anyways we all will be able to try whatever we want when the update is up and we shall see...

Im gonna be honnest i stopped read at the rune part, where you have to make a decision between runes and lust.

It's clear that you have absolutly no idea about what you talk about, thats the reason you are not even top 100.

Dude watching u8 games with braviet and think runes is an option.

Lolol  :sob: :sob: :sob:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 13, 2020, 02:57:38 AM
I disagree necrolyte is the worst unit, and i never do them, skeletons weak, unholy a bit better but ai will switch target without unholy if there is more than one unit

I think you never played w1 online? Archers cats op


Also humans are good in diffrent map, special water maps, when orc player just cant attack non stop with lust

Yes, I played only campaigns in War1 and never online. My point is to add Necrolyte as new unit for War2 and make them (and Skeletons) useful. For example let Necrolyte be available in early game (with Great Hall). Give them three spells: Death Coil (researched), Raise Dead and Haste. Change Raise Dead cost to 25 mana and buff Skeletons to 60Hp and dmg 3-6.
In late game add new upgrade "Upgrades Into Death Knight" to transform every Necrolyte into Death Knight (same way as Ogres -> Ogre-Mages). Death Knights will be able to learn next three spells, so the late game will stay the same.
What is more, this change will be lore friendly, cause orcish Necrolytes/Warlocks changed into Death Knights in the lore  ^-^

About War1 - to be honest, I like only roads in this game :D Like you said Archers and Catas are op and later mass Warlocks/Wizards to summoning Daemons/Water Elementals.

I remember in 2004 when we were playing GOW BNE F, we were always using skeletons,  skeletons are amazing to rape walled expantions, send 2 dk, decay the gold flow, make some skeletons with the second mage, and rape inside the expand... If there no tower or ogers it's gonna be a mess.

But most peoples dont know how to use spells properly.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on November 13, 2020, 03:33:23 AM
macro isn't just the core mechanics, the meta game also affects macro, so how players think they should be playing, may limit macro proteinal
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 13, 2020, 04:49:26 AM
Im gonna be honnest i stopped read at the rune part, where you have to make a decision between runes and lust.

Dude watching u8 games with braviet and think runes is an option.

Exactly, it is not an option and that is the whole point: it "could" be. How you balance things can either add more relevant choices and decision making to the game or just streamline everything even more to a point that every choice is just a no-brainers (kind of the way lust is right now).

There is no need to explain why automating stuff is just simplifying the gameplay, and basically making the decisions for the player where there should be a choice. Automated behaviors like this is making the game even more of a right click/reflex based game. Just like all these other failed strategy games where armies can be right clicked all accross the map.

If what you want is to see more things used in multiplayer then you have to balance the game so that there is more room for these other cool things to be played (runes, sappers, humans etc)...

That is what balance is all about imo but again that is just my opinion, you may think it is fine to have a more right click based gameplay and that it is what war2 needs, and you will be able to experiment your changes in your own maps and games which is perfect.

As a matter of facts we will all be able to test everyone's take on balancing, which is the best option since there are a lot of different ideas on the matter.

Also, people that dont want to hear anything about balancing will not be forced to. And that also is a very very good thing, because everyone's opinion matters.
We are not so many left here, we should do the best we can so that everyone has the experience they want to have everytime they come to play a few games.

And again thank you Mistral for implementing all these cool things for everyone to have even more options/content to play/experiment with.
This is going to be interesting to see what people come up with for sure!
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 13, 2020, 05:50:35 AM
Im gonna be honnest i stopped read at the rune part, where you have to make a decision between runes and lust.

Dude watching u8 games with braviet and think runes is an option.

Exactly, it is not an option and that is the whole point: it "could" be. How you balance things can either add more relevant choices and decision making to the game or just streamline everything even more to a point that every choice is just a no-brainers (kind of the way lust is right now).

There is no need to explain why automating stuff is just simplifying the gameplay, and basically making the decisions for the player where there should be a choice. Automated behaviors like this is making the game even more of a right click/reflex based game. Just like all these other failed strategy games where armies can be right clicked all accross the map.

If what you want is to see more things used in multiplayer then you have to balance the game so that there is more room for these other cool things to be played (runes, sappers, humans etc)...

That is what balance is all about imo but again that is just my opinion, you may think it is fine to have a more right click based gameplay and that it is what war2 needs, and you will be able to experiment your changes in your own maps and games which is perfect.

As a matter of facts we will all be able to test everyone's take on balancing, which is the best option since there are a lot of different ideas on the matter.

Also, people that dont want to hear anything about balancing will not be forced to. And that also is a very very good thing, because everyone's opinion matters.
We are not so many left here, we should do the best we can so that everyone has the experience they want to have everytime they come to play a few games.

And again thank you Mistral for implementing all these cool things for everyone to have even more options/content to play/experiment with.
This is going to be interesting to see what people come up with for sure!

The probleme is only the fact that you make absolutly no sens, you are just making no sens... First you told us there no interess in this mistral plug in, telling us we better keep the game the way it is, and now you are trying to explaining me how the game have to be rework...

Are we keeping the game like it is, or we trying to find a way to make all those spell irrelevant, relevant....

Nobody is arguing the fact that the game '' could be '' better by improving some points other then you 3 pages ago....

There is the probleme, you seem to dint even know what you really want... telling us the game better stay like this, but now telling us it could be better.

You are telling us there no way the auto heal human could be an add on as experimentation, but now you are telling us trying to fix the lust would be the solution...>

You seem to just wanna contradicts for no reason because '' YOU want '' to have the solution..

How the fuck you can even told us that its better to keep the game the way it is, but at same time told us the best thing to do is to fix lust...

Bro there like 10% Human players on the server... The probleme is also HUMAN race..

90% of the server play with orcs, and everything seem find with orcs when its orcs against orcs..

So instead trying to fix the entire game by making an experimentation on 10% of the server, you wanna try to fix the server by making an experimentation on 90% of the population of the server.

Thats why i dont take anything of what you say seriously, thats where i dont even try to read you anymore, because everything you say is only arguing contradict and no sens.

By fixing the auto heal you are keeping 90% of the meta intact and can fix the entire game by only making an experimentation on 10% of the server.

The add on is already made, the things look super fine, most of peoples wanna try this update, why you fuck around dude?

Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 13, 2020, 06:13:49 AM
And by the way, automate action can be part of the game and still be interesting, actually most of the magic in star2 or war3 are all automate like this, every wich doctors, every mages etc etc.

Thats the thing, i think the fact that bloodlust is so powerful require that time that koorb was talking about 3 posts ago...

And the fact that healing is basicly useless is the reason why it could be good if it can be AUTO heal, even if it's basicly useless in a direct fight, it would bring some good points.

Like when you cross 9 ogers lust and ran back going hide somewhere and then he gave up on you..

And while you are hide you can macro your town and they gonna auto heal alone and going back to the road after.

This is actually what most of human player are doing, it will just add that auto heal aspect.

I mean, there absolutly no reason to not try that add on in a future patch, only haters gonna hate, let's be honnest.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Cel on November 13, 2020, 06:05:01 PM
Mistral is not doing what you think he is doing obviously you have not read carefully what is coming... :sweat:

This is going to be an option you will be able to check when making maps that you can host but the base game is untouched. so while you will  have these changes available in your custom scenarios the base game will stay the same.
You missed the "it is working on triggers" part, which will be additional scripting options for map makers not global changes to the base game itself...

Oh and I never said I was against that particular way of doing it, I am only against enforcing it on everyone but Mistral obviously knows better than to do that unlike some other people wink wink :thumbsup:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 13, 2020, 11:20:36 PM
Mistral is not doing what you think he is doing obviously you have not read carefully what is coming... :sweat:

This is going to be an option you will be able to check when making maps that you can host but the base game is untouched. so while you will  have these changes available in your custom scenarios the base game will stay the same.
You missed the "it is working on triggers" part, which will be additional scripting options for map makers not global changes to the base game itself...

Oh and I never said I was against that particular way of doing it, I am only against enforcing it on everyone but Mistral obviously knows better than to do that unlike some other people wink wink :thumbsup:

So why you say you have confident on mystral and iL they would never let that happen? Are you trying to act a new way because you make no sens?

What a little nerd liar you are bro, what a shame lol
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Oragorn on November 14, 2020, 04:31:31 AM
Why don't admins ban crazy people? Why do normal people have to waste their time on useless conversations with troll assholes?
Or move all the flood to the floodroom. Do not litter topics with any abomination.
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: Nox on November 14, 2020, 04:33:11 AM
Why don't admins ban crazy people? Why do normal people have to waste their time on useless conversations with troll assholes?
Or move all the flood to the floodroom. Do not litter topics with any abomination.

Another fake identity programmar hacker.

49 posts, all of them talk about hacking the game or harassing me lol

Probably cel Himself  :sob: :sob: :sob:
Title: Re: paladins AOE passive auto heal
Post by: xXxSmeagolxXx on November 14, 2020, 12:29:07 PM
Why don't admins ban crazy people? Why do normal people have to waste their time on useless conversations with troll assholes?
Or move all the flood to the floodroom. Do not litter topics with any abomination.

Another fake identity programmar hacker.

49 posts, all of them talk about hacking the game or harassing me lol

Probably cel Himself  :sob: :sob: :sob:
Dude literally shut your mouth. The problem with being online is when some ignorant little retard like you talks shit someone can't just bust them in the face. You're a little pussy, quit again no one cares. Get a life you fuckin idiot.

Oh I don't have to tell you to shut up, you got muted? Who wins now frenchie?