My problem with Islam is with IDEAS and BELIEFS (ie. oppression of women, violence against non-Muslims, etc.), not with the people. I care about the people. Jesus loves the people.
In order to be a fair judge, the judge has to consider the evidence, look at the evidence, weigh the evidence. You refused to look at any evidence regarding what the religion teaches to determine if it is good or bad.
You have determined that violence against innocents is bad. If Islam teaches violence against innocents, then according to your own beliefs, Islam is bad.
You yourself either approve of violence against women and violence against non-Muslims (especially Jews and Christians) OR you disapprove of Islam.
To put yourself in a position where you can sit on the fence and pretend to be in both camps, where you promote Islam and pretend to promote peace and non-violence, you have to do what you've done, which is close your eyes and ears to facts, including video footage of what is going on where Muslims have taken over, and close your eyes and ears to people reading and speaking what is actually written in the Quran, and close your eyes and ears to Muslims themselves announcing world takeover plans using culture Jihad (pretending to assimilate until their numbers in a given location are over 50%, when they will push their own Sharia law that includes stoning of women and honor killing women, and dominating and killing Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims that do not want to submit to their ideology)...
IF there is a religion that teaches violence, isn't it the RIGHT thing to take a stand against that religion?
IF I am mistaken and the evidence that I have been seeing and reading and hearing can be countered with reason, evidence, and logic, then isn't it the RIGHT thing for you to convince me of the errors of my thinking? Obviously I care about truth. Obviously I care about people. If I have been misinformed, don't you think persuading me with reason after looking at the evidence yourself is the best course of action? Shutting me up, throwing all rational objections from a concerned citizen to the flame forum with absolutely no good reason, being spammed with hate messages and death wishes, none of those will persuade me of another point of view. Logic and reason and evidence are what persuade me.
"There are peaceful Muslims."
Islam calls Muslims that do not submit to the teachings of the Quran "hypocrites" and they are also a target to be killed. If they are peaceful Muslims, they are not Muslims. They may be Arabs and have come from an Islamic cultural background, but they are not "believers" or true Muslims. True Muslim believers follow and obey the teachings in the Quran, some of which I've included below.
So the question is, does Islam teach violence against innocents? Does Islam teach sexism (that one sex is inherently better than the other?)
The Quran certainly does.
Quran 8:12 – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Quran 9:5 “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
Quran 4:34 "Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and
scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!"
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
Since when did telling the truth become such a crime?
Since when did questioning questionable things become "inappropriate"?
I know we live in an increasing politically correct time, and that free speech is dwindling by a fraying thread. I know there are people who will want to kill me for defending liberty and free speech and questioning a religion that threatens liberty and free speech and the lives of non-Muslims.
I know that here in Canada where I live, they are trying to pass a law that makes free speech a criminal activity. The Muslims want to have a law in OUR LAND OF LIBERTY that NO ONE is allowed to question their religion.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-parliament-anti-islamophobia-motion-pass-muslim-irqa-khalid-david-anderson-racism-faith-a7647851.htmlThere is NO such protection for Christians here. Or on this forum (where people can mock, insult, flame, and death wish Christians all they want).
So the Muslims want to be above everyone else and have special treatment and laws just for them, that other Canadians do not have.
I have never suggested violence against Muslims, as Jesus teaches in Matthew 5:43-44, “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,"
And God wants them to be saved, as can be seen in 1 Timothy 2:3-4 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."
But they certainly suggest violence against me, on account of me being a Christian and a woman. I'm also a dog owner (they hate dogs and consider them unclean). Mohammad ordered many dogs killed, especially black dogs which were considered the devil.
From Bukhari Vol. 4, #540
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.
From Abu Dawud #2839
Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.
From Muslim #3813
Abu Zubair heard Jabir Abdullah saying: Allah's messenger ordered us to kill dogs and we carried out this order so much so that we also killed the dog roaming with a women from the desert. Then Allah's apostle forbade their killing. He said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes) for it is a devil.
From Muslim #5248
Maimuna reported that one morning Allah’s Messenger was silent with grief. Maimuna said: Allah’s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah’s Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah’s Messenger spent the day in this sad mood. Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens.
Are black dogs really the devil? I think not.
Contradictory cultures and beliefs simply cannot co-exist peacefully.
You can't have pet-loving North Americans happy as clams while their neighbours are poisoning their black devil dog pets to be obedient to Allah and Muhammad.
You can't have womens-rights-loving North Americans happy while their neighbours are scourging their wives (some of whom are children).
You can't have freedom-loving North Americans happy when their neighbours are working to criminalize free speech.
When the numbers are high enough, it will explode into civil war. This has already been observed throughout history in many countries, including Lebanon, and is now brewing in a number of European countries.
There is absolutely no HATE involved here. I care about dogs, I care about women, I care about children, I care about men. Of all races and nationalities. I care about freedom, I care about truth.
You can't just close your eyes and pretend nothing is happening anywhere in the world, just because you don't happen to see it in your own house or outside your own window.
