us 2016 elections thread (america ftw)

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

Bernie supporter: Wtf, why are they protesting Bernie?  That seems dumb
Identity politics people: Note that this is not a debate. The angry backlash at Black Lives Matter is pure white supremacy and this is not up for compromise.  I'm tired of these brogressive oppressors silencing black people.  We need to have a serious talk and write articles and tweet about this problem.

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

The people took the mic and Bernie ended up having to leave the stage without speaking.  Who cares if some people booed or got upset or questioned why they were targeting Bernie's rally?  It's a natural reaction.  To go from there (some people were upset) to the weird liberal identity politics self-policing wtih headlines like "It's time to talk about the large anti-BLM movement from Bernie supporters" is pretty typical in the "everything is problematic" way people behave nowadays but it's stupid.

You don't even know what you're talking about, the gawkers article wasn't written because of a couple boos against BLM. It was more then just that, it was the popular reaction among bernie supporters all over social media , including sites like reddit, that flat out ignored that BLM had legitimate grievances. not that there aren't some bernie supporters who are understanding, there definitely are. but the article wasn't just written to create a made-up issue or to complain about a minor one.

[CumSavorer4385]

You don't even know what you're talking about, the gawkers article wasn't written because of a couple boos against BLM. It was more then just that, it was the popular reaction among bernie supporters all over social media , including sites like reddit, that flat out ignored that BLM had legitimate grievances. not that there aren't some bernie supporters who are understanding, there definitely are.

Can you cite some specific examples of this?

but the article wasn't just written to create a made-up issue or to complain about a minor one.

Gawker Media: Where you can find serious, good faith discussion about the serious issues for adults.

[CumSavorer4385]

I'm really tired of all these leftists who think LGBT rights aren't important. The radical left has a real problem with accepting LGBT people. This can be demonstrated by the fact that people make homophobic or transphobic comments on internet message boards dedicated to discussing leftism.

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

You don't even know what you're talking about, the gawkers article wasn't written because of a couple boos against BLM. It was more then just that, it was the popular reaction among bernie supporters all over social media , including sites like reddit, that flat out ignored that BLM had legitimate grievances. not that there aren't some bernie supporters who are understanding, there definitely are.

Can you cite some specific examples of this?

but the article wasn't just written to create a made-up issue or to complain about a minor one.

Gawker Media: Where you can find serious, good faith discussion about the serious issues for adults.

i don't know anything about gawker, but i did know about this issue among the bernie zombies well before i read the article so i see it as legitimate criticism.
you want specific quotes from bernie zombies ? you can find those on your own if you cared enough. there are plenty who dismissed the blm protesters as rude and racist lol. shit some even threatened violence against them.

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

The people took the mic and Bernie ended up having to leave the stage without speaking.  Who cares if some people booed or got upset or questioned why they were targeting Bernie's rally?  It's a natural reaction.  To go from there (some people were upset) to the weird liberal identity politics self-policing wtih headlines like "It's time to talk about the large anti-BLM movement from Bernie supporters" is pretty typical in the "everything is problematic" way people behave nowadays but it's stupid.

You don't even know what you're talking about, the gawkers article wasn't written because of a couple boos against BLM. It was more then just that, it was the popular reaction among bernie supporters all over social media , including sites like reddit, that flat out ignored that BLM had legitimate grievances. not that there aren't some bernie supporters who are understanding, there definitely are. but the article wasn't just written to create a made-up issue or to complain about a minor one.

Nobody is saying black people don't have legitimate grievances.  Thats a strawman.  Even if an angry person on reddit said "fuck these people for doing this!  fuck BLM!" you can't presume that they don't believe there are issues affecting black people in America.  All you can take from it is that they're upset that the candidate they support had his event hijacked and they're mad at the protesters who did it. 

You can think it was a stupid thing for the protesters to do without being a racist imo.

Seeing as there is no ongoing BLM hate on the bernie subreddit at all, I do NOT think there is a "large movement" "trivializing" black people.  I do think some people got pissed at the protesters.  And that from that we're getting think pieces a week later from the type of people who love to lecture and call people out because they have a desire to always be on the right side and be better than others.

[CumSavorer4385]

i don't know anything about gawker, but i did know about this issue among the bernie zombies well before i read the article so i see it as legitimate criticism.
you want specific quotes from bernie zombies ? you can find those on your own if you cared enough. there are plenty who dismissed the blm protesters as rude and racist lol. shit some even threatened violence against them.

So, the answer to my question is, you actually do not have any specific examples to provide.

[CumSavorer4385]

"We Need To Have A Conversation About Racism In The Bernie Sanders Campaign, And Why That's NOT Okay" Jon is starting to make me miss "rape porn and Pamela Geller are epic FTW" Jon.

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

i'm not saying we should have a conversation about it, i'm just saying it exists and you're saying it doesn't lol. blid is flat out rejecting any bernie supporters trivialized the blm movement because there's nothing on the front page of reddit. although i did link a thread which showed people doing exactly that, which is thinks was just people talking about the incident. lol.

[CumSavorer4385]

blid is flat out rejecting any bernie supporters trivialized the blm movement because there's nothing on the front page of reddit.

I'm pretty sure both of us have acknowledged that Sanders supporters have said such things on the internet, we only question to what degree a few internet comments are indicative of a "movement" as you describe. So this is a lie.

although i did link a thread which showed people doing exactly that, which is thinks was just people talking about the incident. lol.

So again just random internet commenters.

What do you think the problems with the Sanders campaign with regards to racial justice issues are, Jon?

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

you've changed it from sanders supporters denying that black people have legitimate grievances and trivializing their problems... to sanders supporters trivializing the BLM movement.  that's a big difference.  Im still not sure about "trivialized" but yes people were mad at the blm protesters who broke up the event and i think that's ok.  you may support the people who interrupted his event and that's fine but i think it's ok to question these peoples tactics when their tactic was to shut down the guy whos basically their best possible ally in either primary.  however to so many people any criticism equals racism, because with this new brand of liberal, identity trumps all.  in any debate about anything just find the most oppressed group and they're the ones who are right lol.  anyway, that some people on reddit or twitter got mad i don't think matters.  and even if you do think it matters, it doesn't mean sanders has a race problem, it means some of the people scattered among his supporters have a race problem.  anyway even on your link nothing really seemed that bad, i read a lot of it.  some people thought it was dumb, so what?

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blid is flat out rejecting any bernie supporters trivialized the blm movement because there's nothing on the front page of reddit.

I'm pretty sure both of us have acknowledged that Sanders supporters have said such things on the internet, we only question to what degree a few internet comments are indicative of a "movement" as you describe. So this is a lie.

although i did link a thread which showed people doing exactly that, which is thinks was just people talking about the incident. lol.

So again just random internet commenters.

What do you think the problems with the Sanders campaign with regards to racial justice issues are, Jon?

again saying it's just people on the "internet" , these are real life people who will vote for  bernie, many probably went to his rallies. not just random text on a computer screen. the fact an article was written about it probably shows that's a bigger than than a small fraction of supporters. also this is the attitude of most white people in general.

[CumSavorer4385]

again saying it's just people on the "internet" , these are real life people who will vote for  bernie, many probably went to his rallies. not just random text on a computer screen.

You have raised this objection already, and I have already noted that I do in fact realize they are people. If they were sending letters to a newspaper editor instead my response would be the same. There's no equivalent to Hillary is 44 among Sanders supporters targeting BLM or black people or black issues in general.

the fact an article was written about it probably shows that's a bigger than than a small fraction of supporters.

A Gawker article about a subject exists, therefore its a serious problem we should pay attention to. Sounds legit.

also this is the attitude of most white people in general.

This discussion is not about "white people in general."

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Trump, on supporters who beat Hispanic man: 'People who are following me are very passionate'

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

you've changed it from sanders supporters denying that black people have legitimate grievances and trivializing their problems... to sanders supporters trivializing the BLM movement.  that's a big difference.

how is trivializing black lives matter movement a big difference from trivializing issues black people have?

Im still not sure about "trivialized" but yes people were mad at the blm protesters who broke up the event and i think that's ok.  you may support the people who interrupted his event and that's fine but i think it's ok to question these peoples tactics when their tactic was to shut down the guy whos basically their best possible ally in either primary.

even if he is their best possible ally (which is probably true considering the rest of the worthlessness of the candidates), does that mean any real change would actually happen if  he won presidency? black people are being killed by police almost daily at this point, so to interrupt a politician who's running for presidency to demand answers on how he'll deal with it isn't unreasonable. the fucking halfwits who claim the girls were being "rude" to interrupt him, totally trivialize the issue considering the circumstances. some fucking victim-blaming retards actually were calling them racist. these are bernie supporters saying this shit.

however to so many people any criticism equals racism, because with this new brand of liberal, identity trumps all.  in any debate about anything just find the most oppressed group and they're the ones who are right lol.

what's this bullshit? sorry maybe i should think of the feelings of the oppressors first.