Downrate Moustopher to back up server.

[EviL~Ryu]

First of all i want to said thank you for the effort you give, i see it with the pool and this post, you finally cares about my opinions.

Thank you too, i try to care about anyone's opinion, at least to understand them and let them understand me.

The probleme i got with her is about she is nobody

Agree with your side: admin should know the community and understand their wishes. That is an important thing.

But here's another side: admin should be unbiassed against people in the community.
If admin takes active part in the community relations and have many friends and many enemies before to become an admin, it will be almost impossible for him to keep unbiassed.
Even if he will be 100% fair:
- he will alienate his friends when punishing them.
- and his enemies will cry about his power abuse when he ban them.
That's why i'd consider non-participation in the community relations should be more an advantage than a disadvantage.

About mousey - i hope she will learn the community and it's wishes better during her mod activity. Just give her time for that.

she permanant ban me for spamming when she tell me spamming was about deleting account

As i rememeber admins permbanned you about 4 or 5 times in that period, but mousey didn't.
Not sure who did, Blid or Burnt, mousey just repeated bans for your new accounts, that is mostly a technical moment. It was not her decision to ban you, she just maintained your ban state.
She just do what other admins decide.

Pfft that rodent isn't capable of learning anything, she needs real life anger management classes. Probably had abusive parents why she e-rages alot.

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[I hate naggers]

just get the fuck out, dude xD

[EviL~Ryu]

just get the fuck out, dude xD

I'll make you a deal....if you can post a pic of yourself fucking a real human with a sticky labeled "claw" on your forehead, i'll leave. Deal?

Remember chickens or other small animals don't count.

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[Nox]

First of all i want to said thank you for the effort you give, i see it with the pool and this post, you finally cares about my opinions.

Thank you too, i try to care about anyone's opinion, at least to understand them and let them understand me.

The probleme i got with her is about she is nobody

Agree with your side: admin should know the community and understand their wishes. That is an important thing.

But here's another side: admin should be unbiassed against people in the community.
If admin takes active part in the community relations and have many friends and many enemies before to become an admin, it will be almost impossible for him to keep unbiassed.
Even if he will be 100% fair:
- he will alienate his friends when punishing them.
- and his enemies will cry about his power abuse when he ban them.
That's why i'd consider non-participation in the community relations should be more an advantage than a disadvantage.

About mousey - i hope she will learn the community and it's wishes better during her mod activity. Just give her time for that.

she permanant ban me for spamming when she tell me spamming was about deleting account

As i rememeber admins permbanned you about 4 or 5 times in that period, but mousey didn't.
Not sure who did, Blid or Burnt, mousey just repeated bans for your new accounts, that is mostly a technical moment. It was not her decision to ban you, she just maintained your ban state.
She just do what other admins decide.

Pfft that rodent isn't capable of learning anything, she needs real life anger management classes. Probably had abusive parents why she e-rages alot.

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I have no probleme about the fact she is admin, i have probleme with the fact she can take important decision over people who really play this game.

Decision she take are not the best decision because she dint even know peoples or she dint even play.

But i see no probleme with the fact she do design or making programmation or some thing like that.

To make this game better, we have to use people who know this game, not people who just want to show their autority and their ego.

Take by exemple any new games, they always make a beta and give it to the future player to take comments about the game and build the game about it.. Because player or the ones who gonna waste their time to play and make this game live.

So the opinion of whos play is more important of the person who know how to build game due the programmation but dint necessairly how to play it like a pro and what is best for it.

And what i really dont like, it's she take decision to ban peoples when she dint even take time with us, yes maybe she will take more times with us on the client now, but its already do ten years, why she dint do it before, and why she do it now? Because she do it by obligation not because she want it!

[EviL~Ryu]

First of all i want to said thank you for the effort you give, i see it with the pool and this post, you finally cares about my opinions.

Thank you too, i try to care about anyone's opinion, at least to understand them and let them understand me.

The probleme i got with her is about she is nobody

Agree with your side: admin should know the community and understand their wishes. That is an important thing.

But here's another side: admin should be unbiassed against people in the community.
If admin takes active part in the community relations and have many friends and many enemies before to become an admin, it will be almost impossible for him to keep unbiassed.
Even if he will be 100% fair:
- he will alienate his friends when punishing them.
- and his enemies will cry about his power abuse when he ban them.
That's why i'd consider non-participation in the community relations should be more an advantage than a disadvantage.

About mousey - i hope she will learn the community and it's wishes better during her mod activity. Just give her time for that.

she permanant ban me for spamming when she tell me spamming was about deleting account

As i rememeber admins permbanned you about 4 or 5 times in that period, but mousey didn't.
Not sure who did, Blid or Burnt, mousey just repeated bans for your new accounts, that is mostly a technical moment. It was not her decision to ban you, she just maintained your ban state.
She just do what other admins decide.

Pfft that rodent isn't capable of learning anything, she needs real life anger management classes. Probably had abusive parents why she e-rages alot.

Sent from my Motorola DynaTAC 8000X

I have no probleme about the fact she is admin, i have probleme with the fact she can take important decision over people who really play this game.

Decision she take are not the best decision because she dint even know peoples or she dint even play.

But i see no probleme with the fact she do design or making programmation or some thing like that.

To make this game better, we have to use people who know this game, not people who just want to show their autority and their ego.

Take by exemple any new games, they always make a beta and give it to the future player to take comments about the game and build the game about it.. Because player or the ones who gonna waste their time to play and make this game live.

So the opinion of whos play is more important of the person who know how to build game due the programmation but dint necessairly how to play it like a pro and what is best for it.

I what i really dont like, if she take decision to ban someone when she dint even take time with us, yes maybe she will take more times with us on the client, but its already do ten years, why she dint do it before, and why she do it now? Because she do it by obligation not because she want it!

We'll ya thats what i been saying, i don't think anyone wants her gone. I just want her to be less biased and be more fair in who she punishes. Drop the favoritism for the chicken fucker. In addition, controlling her anger.

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[iL]

Tk ban me the first time because lightbringer- ask him 5 month ago

As i remember, i did, not tk. (Maybe tk did it also, not sure).

Moustopher is the second

The third one who ban me was burnt

The fourth times it was burnt again

So, You have been banned by Burnt twice, also by me, by tk, by mousey, and your request is only against mousey, why?
That looks like she is not your main offender, all of us are.

According to your logic, she is biassed against you, but other admins are also biassed. And more than her.

Moustopher is the second one who ban me because i ask here to delete my account and she told me ** deleting is only for spammer ** what i do, spam the forum, but she lie to me and just ban me..

As i understand what she told about: deleting is closed for users because of some technical reason like spambots fighting in several specific cases, e.g.
That didn't mean something like "spamming is being punished by account deletion", there's also no such line in the Rules.
The rule is: "Spam, obnoxious pictures, offtopic garbage should cause muting".
She didn't break the rules when enforced ban for spamming. So that is not a reason to complain against mousey.
I'd say, that is misunderstanding.

We discussed that situation 2 days later between admins and agreed that we should afford an opportunity to delete an account by request. I added that permission to axe throwers group (for you) and posted that in one of your threads, not sure if you read that.

All these ban are biase from admins who dint respect my free speech and my request, there no real ban in this, even better, then no real community ban in this.

Let me try to explain my point of view:
I agree that bans have not been applied according to our Rules, that is not perfect.
Another thing is in that 5 months you became in war with our admins and the whole war2ru project.
That was bad for the total project and the community, admins have been tired of you (in spite of your actions according the Rules most of the time) so they've been happy to get clear of you.
I don't like that decision, but i understand it. 5 months of hatred from your side, nothing (almost) positive.
Also others (not admins only) have been agree with permbanning you (even if not according the Rules), that ganz poll: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,579.0/viewresults.html

I'm sure your intentions were good: to fight against hackers, to make the game and the community better. But your methods was a problem: threatening, blackmail, slander, entreats. These are all kinds of manipulation, that never works. At least, that never works for a long time.
I think reasonable methods are: argumentation and convincing.
If you can't convince "stupid admins", you feel free to make polls, convince and attract other people, i think that is a good way to know the majority wishes.

I said and i will say that all i do, i do for community, so i'd be interested to know their opinion and try to follow it, to find any compromise between different wishes when possible. So i think such polls are very useful for all of us.

[Nox]

Tk ban me the first time because lightbringer- ask him 5 month ago

As i remember, i did, not tk. (Maybe tk did it also, not sure).

Moustopher is the second

The third one who ban me was burnt

The fourth times it was burnt again

So, You have been banned by Burnt twice, also by me, by tk, by mousey, and your request is only against mousey, why?
That looks like she is not your main offender, all of us are.

According to your logic, she is biassed against you, but other admins are also biassed. And more than her.

Moustopher is the second one who ban me because i ask here to delete my account and she told me ** deleting is only for spammer ** what i do, spam the forum, but she lie to me and just ban me..

As i understand what she told about: deleting is closed for users because of some technical reason like spambots fighting in several specific cases, e.g.
That didn't mean something like "spamming is being punished by account deletion", there's also no such line in the Rules.
The rule is: "Spam, obnoxious pictures, offtopic garbage should cause muting".
She didn't break the rules when enforced ban for spamming. So that is not a reason to complain against mousey.
I'd say, that is misunderstanding.

We discussed that situation 2 days later between admins and agreed that we should afford an opportunity to delete an account by request. I added that permission to axe throwers group (for you) and posted that in one of your threads, not sure if you read that.

All these ban are biase from admins who dint respect my free speech and my request, there no real ban in this, even better, then no real community ban in this.

Let me try to explain my point of view:
I agree that bans have not been applied according to our Rules, that is not perfect.
Another thing is in that 5 months you became in war with our admins and the whole war2ru project.
That was bad for the total project and the community, admins have been tired of you (in spite of your actions according the Rules most of the time) so they've been happy to get clear of you.
I don't like that decision, but i understand it. 5 months of hatred from your side, nothing (almost) positive.
Also others (not admins only) have been agree with permbanning you (even if not according the Rules), that ganz poll: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,579.0/viewresults.html

I'm sure your intentions were good: to fight against hackers, to make the game and the community better. But your methods was a problem: threatening, blackmail, slander, entreats. These are all kinds of manipulation, that never works. At least, that never works for a long time.
I think reasonable methods are: argumentation and convincing.
If you can't convince "stupid admins", you feel free to make polls, convince and attract other people, i think that is a good way to know the majority wishes.

I said and i will say that all i do, i do for community, so i'd be interested to know their opinion and try to follow it, to find any compromise between different wishes when possible. So i think such polls are very useful for all of us.

The difference between burnt tk and you is easy to understand, burnt and tk are players with who i have played for years, i know them and they also know community, but it dont mean they ban me from reasonable motif.

The difference between you and moustopher is only by the fact you are the BIG BOSS in here and you look way more much resonable compare to her.

But her, i have never seen her on client since ten years already, she have never take time with us... Also you talk about that 5 month, but i have never said nothing wrong to her before she create this forum and i told her she can do a little bit much more effort for this forum because this is retard to do the exactly same forum as we have use for ten years.

By making this forum it was meaning a new era, something new, a new start..

But this is have nothing new.

Then she start to do some hate and telling i have never do nothing with war2city and that game when she absolutly do nothing more with moustopher server, the reality is maybe i dint have do nothing with war2city like her, but i still do war2city from my heart like her i believe, and i have never get the help of the server to help me on promotion or anything, and i also have take 12 hours per day on clients to play with peoples and help peoples and also help your server.

When i get ban from tk or burnt it way more legit since they played this game with me since 10 years even if the ban is totally not resonable anyway, but when i get ban by someone who have never play this game and cant even know who the fuck i am because she dint even know how to rush.

Its make me prettyt fucking mad, yeah.

Then you said i have threatening, blackmail, slander, entreats.

But the truth is, ive beeen pretty decent for almost a month and bring you proofs and everything you need for these hacking issue on occult forum while your admins like lightbringer was doing everything to act like if i was crazy.

Telling at everyone he made the patchs and he know the whole thing of this game and i am retards while i just said bullshit.

He also start to make account on the client to personalize me and start to made me boot from everygames he join.

How im suppose to take all of this when i just find 2 of the most biggest issue on your server since the 10 last years.

How im suppose to take this when lightbringer cry at everyone for latency fix and telling this is hacking since the 10 last years??

He suppose to made this game, he suppose to know warlatency is way far to be an hacks, it's just improve the quality of the game for every players.

So yes maybe after someone act so supcious and you guys do nothing about these clients i will be a little bit more mad!

This not the way admins have to act in this serious kind of problemes, support will be appreciated, but i dint see any support from no one except maybe you who take alot of time to check if everything was true.

You took almost 2 weeks to bring a solid case on it and show at everyone it was true, it took me 4 hours, the longest part was to download the client on torrent.

I mean your staff show absolutly NO SUPPORT on that case, lightbringer only try to made me look like a retards because he dint want peoples to realise why he was crying for ten years about latency, because he already know using other clients make latency corrupt.

Burnt, blid and tk for their parts have juste act like if he dint ever seen any threads of this probleme for almost 2 month!

Im sorry dude, but everything of what happen today is by your staff fault too, they had 2 choices since start, since i was pretty decent with everyone and doing big thing to save your server man, but they prefere to goes in war with me because i tell what they dint for ten years.

If in that first month you guys give me support in that case, today never of this will happen, yes its a kind of my fault if today the forum is full of problemes.

But today i got a pool, i got the right to said what i think without getting banned on falsed accusation, wich people dint even know anyway, because your staff doing the ban without tell it at everyone... If it was not about ganz people dint will know i am even ban.. Ganz save me many time by creating threads and make realise at peoples i get ba and what was that official reason.

Im sorry again iL, but you staff and even yourself have your parts on everything on what happen today, i think in a certain way we are all guilty..

The difference is some peoples have no decent reason to be guilty, when everything i do is for the best of this games and you totally know it.

Lightbringer, praise vivec and ryu try to destroy me fron months, by posting my personal informations.

Alot from winchester, this dude is a pure evil men, saying i beat my old parents and i have poker addiction and alot of debts and posting my picture and do shit on it spamming the forums for now 4 months with it, are you serious??

This dude never seen me of his entire life, he dint know nothing about me.

After i see your admins talk with him like if nothing happen.

You guys have never ban him or even show a move on that problems.

The way your staff is acting just show at everyone there no neutrality, when your saying moustopher will be great because she can be neutral.

No she cant!

And almost no one in your staff cant anyway!

Moustopher abuse of his power, burnt is a liar, blid dont play anymore and prefer to play arcade and talk about NBA.

Your staff need real admins, it dont mean you have to scratch them, but you have to add mores.

Just Be realist.

[Winchester]

Alot from winchester, this dude is a pure evil men, saying i beat my old parents and i have poker addiction and alot of debts and posting my picture and do shit on it spamming the forums for now 4 months with it, are you serious??

1. You beating your parents makes you the pure evil one, not me. You're also the same person who finds it absolutely hilarious to joke about your own grandmother passing away. Pretty sure that makes you the fucked up pure evil one here dude.

2. When did I ever say you beat your parents? I'm not suprised if you would though lol. You definitely have a gambling problem and steal from your parents though. That's a given.

3. You're the one who says your fathers basically a cripple and you live at home to look after him, but yet all you do is spend 12+ hours a day on warcraft 2 as you say complaining and crying all day long while you spend the half of your time gambling it all away.

 

This dude never seen me of his entire life, he dint know nothing about me.

Using your same logic, you've never seen me in your entire life either, so  you are a hypocrite  to call me evil. The only person who gets attacked by me is scumbags like you who decided it was a good idea to attack me for trying to talk civil with you at first, this isn't your ghetto neighborhood we're living in. After realizing you are a pointless person with no intelligence to try reason with, I just begin attacking you back. You've attacked more people on these forums and the occult in the past 6 months then I have, it's simple really, you're a bully, as seen with how you act towards EVERYBODY on here. you're a scumbag. You tried against me, and quite simply you fucked up by doing that because im not taking your shit.

If i'm the "Pure evil" one, why did I offer you 2 peace offerings on here only for you to be the one to attack me in response?

[EviL~Ryu]

Alot from winchester, this dude is a pure evil men, saying i beat my old parents and i have poker addiction and alot of debts and posting my picture and do shit on it spamming the forums for now 4 months with it, are you serious??

1. You beating your parents makes you the pure evil one, not me. You're also the same person who finds it absolutely hilarious to joke about your own grandmother passing away. Pretty sure that makes you the fucked up pure evil one here dude.

2. When did I ever say you beat your parents? I'm not suprised if you would though lol. You definitely have a gambling problem and steal from your parents though. That's a given.

3. You're the one who says your fathers basically a cripple and you live at home to look after him, but yet all you do is spend 12+ hours a day on warcraft 2 as you say complaining and crying all day long while you spend the half of your time gambling it all away.

 

This dude never seen me of his entire life, he dint know nothing about me.

Using your same logic, you've never seen me in your entire life either, so  you are a hypocrite  to call me evil. The only person who gets attacked by me is scumbags like you who decided it was a good idea to attack me for trying to talk civil with you at first, this isn't your ghetto neighborhood we're living in. After realizing you are a pointless person with no intelligence to try reason with, I just begin attacking you back. You've attacked more people on these forums and the occult in the past 6 months then I have, it's simple really, you're a bully, as seen with how you act towards EVERYBODY on here. you're a scumbag. You tried against me, and quite simply you fucked up by doing that because im not taking your shit.

If i'm the "Pure evil" one, why did I offer you 2 peace offerings on here only for you to be the one to attack me in response?

Pure EviL [emoji57] good one.

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[Winchester]

Pure EviL  good one.

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Lol, how come that didn't come to my mind! Should've wrote Pure~EviL

[O4L]

If you want me to help you equinox I will help you. I've told you this. Just take me up on it and we will make your league start off. You act like I'm not going to help it take off when you have brought up numerous screen shots of me helping you the first time you started uwc. I would be doing the exact same thing for it if you would let me. I promote both my tournaments to qualify for Tournament Of Champions, and help your league at the same time making same announcements, replays etc. It's just more things for the community to get involved in. These days its a lot of different players who rotate online during the months and different people are always online different days trying to get into something fun. I don't see the problem with having both.

Think of it as a WWE Wrestlemania

We have two big leagues going on and we build them up to the Supershow.

The UWC could be the GOW HIGH RES, CHOP player league

The W2FL as the map variety league.

Warcraft 2 Festival VII

UWC LEAGUE WINNER VS. W2FL LEAGUE WINNER - $$ donation pot

OR Even a 3 way

UWC GOW Leader vs. Chop Leader vs. W2FL leader in 3 player FFA's on each kind of map in a Best of 11

ROUND 1: GOW EF
ROUND 2: CHOP
ROUND 3: BRIDGE TO BRIDGE COMBAT
ROUND 4: GOW EF
ROUND 5: CHOP
ROUND 6: FIGHT FOR NOX MIDDLE
ROUND 7: GOW EF
ROUND 8: CHOP
ROUND 9: PLAINS OF SNOW
ROUND 10: FIERCE OCEAN COMBAT
ROUND 11: GOW EF


GOW EF
CHOP
MAP VARIETYS


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And like I've mentioned before. Why not just have UWC League sub-sections on the forum now that we have the new one. Nobody here actually controlled the old forums, and that was when you first started to get mad at the staff. If we keep the league here they have a bigger chance of getting involved in other warcraft 2 discussion so we have more people voting on the polls, and more community representation. That's the reason I think its best to keep Tournament stuff here on the forums. I want players to get exposed and be able to sign up.

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And dude when I started my league it was a month after I last saw yours running. I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE MAN! Once I announce something I try my best to stick to it. Dude I promoted a $2000 winner tournament. Trust me I wanted to split the prizes out to more of a variety of players to the tournament but I already announced it so I felt it was my duty to stick to it. Especially since Yamon told me he would be practicing hard for it. I didn't want to go back on something I already announced. It's why I don't want to just end the W2FL tournaments leading to the Tournament Of Champions.

Viruz did earn the money though. Look at the competition he faced! This truely was probably the most epic GOW EF Tournament line up.

15/16 players in Round 3 were former Tournament Champions. Only Jynx without a win.

Round 3:

1. swift vs.
2. Rat

3. ~LuX vs.
4. SirJynxIt

5. Wargasm vs.
6. 00Joe

7. BHC-Jesk vs.
8. ^Adam^
----------------------

9. StarTale vs.
10. Knitterhemd

11. Szwagier vs.
12. Shotgun

13. Braviet vs.
14. Medivh

15. Joker vs.
16. Viruz

Viruz beat UNF0RG1VEN, Joker, Braviet, Shotgun, and Swift all in one tournament.

That right there is a legend.

[Nox]

Im not here to do a competition burnt.

I want to do something big, something creative, someting fair for everyone and something new.

Something where everyones gonna have fun and everyone gonna feel important.

I dont want to split peoples and to be in competitive mode for absolutly no reason.

I want to do something to merge peoples, something where custom players and pros players have reasons to be togheter.

UWC is allbout that.

Like i said, your league is good by passion and time, but it can be way much better and you dont want realise.

My offer to you is this one, put your league on stand by, and work as the same rank to me in my mine, we gonna be 50/50 on it both owner.

Let's try my way for once and your gonna help me for once.

[O4L]

Alright man. I will do it. The W2FL will be on stand by. All tournament winners still are qualified to come to the Tournament Of Champions in July for  $20 per series. Any future winners of the UWC Tournaments will also qualify.

[Teron-Gorefiend]

Burnt...It cannot be all those random BNE maps vs only one fucking chop map...Get real dude.
Either  gow, chop, gow chop etc same sets...

or random bne map and random newb made map alternating....

[I hate naggers]

Situaltional awareness, hello? I believe old ef is the most hosted map, chop is 2nd, gow BNE is 3rd... other newb maps don't get hosted nearly as often