Is communism good or bad?

[~ToRa~]

What have the communist supporters posted in support of communism? All marx been doing is saying how dumb people who don’t think like him are.

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

two fake muslim sociopaths trying to talk economics

[3bdushakur]

two fake muslim sociopaths trying to talk economics

"Fake muslims"? What does that mean? How are we "fake muslims"? I didn't know praying 5 times a day, fasting for the month of Ramadhaan which is coming up (in shaa Allah) was what "fake Muslims" did....lol "fake".

Coming from the fake Communist.

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

muslim and capitalist ideology = contradiction

muslims corrupted by western liberalism only have these sociopath ideas.

[3bdushakur]

muslim and capitalist ideology = contradiction

muslims corrupted by western liberalism only have these sociopath ideas.

It would be nice if you had the ability to elaborate on your asanine opinions instead of just spreading them like mono.

[Igognito]

muslim and capitalist ideology = contradiction

muslims corrupted by western liberalism only have these sociopath ideas.

That is an actual interesting point to consider.
Can you be a true Muslim believer and a fully pledged capitalist at the same time?

Up to what point the two ideologies converge or clash!

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

This is completely wrong nonsense but "leftist" is a pretty non-specific word so whatever

Just to reiterate, since it's safe to assume that most people in forums do not click attachment links:

According to Wikipedia

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism) as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).[1] The term left-wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[5]

The political terms "Left" and "Right" were coined during the French Revolution (1789–1799), referring to the seating arrangement in the Estates General: those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization,[6] while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime. Use of the term "Left" became more prominent after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 when it was applied to the "Independents".[7] The word "wing" was appended to Left and Right in the late 19th century[8] usually with disparaging intent and "left-wing" was applied to those who were unorthodox in their religious or political views.

The term was later applied to a number of movements, especially republicanism during the French Revolution in the 18th century, followed by socialism,[9] communism, anarchism and social democracy in the 19th and 20th centuries.[10] Since then, the term left-wing has been applied to a broad range of movements[11] including civil rights movements, feminist movements, anti-war movements and environmental movements,[12][13] as well as a wide range of parties.[14][15][16] According to author Barry Clark, "[leftists] claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated".[17]

yes thank you for proving what i said, that it is non-specific and can refer to dozens of different things.

[3bdushakur]

yes thank you for proving what i said, that it is non-specific and can refer to dozens of different things.

Communism being one of the specific sub-categories. If it proved anything, it was both our points.

[3bdushakur]

That is an actual interesting point to consider.
Can you be a true Muslim believer and a fully pledged capitalist at the same time?

Up to what point the two ideologies converge or clash!

Up to the point where any transaction involving money is either based on interest or the selling of things prohibited by the Shari'ah.

[3bdushakur]

That is an actual interesting point to consider.
Can you be a true Muslim believer and a fully pledged capitalist at the same time?

Up to what point the two ideologies converge or clash!

Capitalism is defined as

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state

There is nothing wrong, as far as I know, with privatizing a certain product and exporting said product in Islam so long as the transaction is not based on usary/interest, and the product itself is not prohibited in Islam.

We have restrictions as to what we can trade in, and the trade market in Islam is heavily regulated (within religious context). This doesn't mean all Muslims abide by religious law, since there is no single and unifying government body to really enforce the Law for the Muslims (which would be awesome for us), so the Muslim engages in technically illegal activity on a daily basis, which may not go punished in this life, but will be held accountable in the next. And this is one of the means that the believers maintain a regulated system, being conscious that all that they do is monitored, 24/7 ("Who watches the Whatchers?", Allah). We also have restrictions as to how we can trade. There are ettiquettes not only within the market, but prior to entering and exiting the market. There are etiquettes for the traveler and for the immigrant and so on.

The clash comes in when usary/interest is present, when prohibited substances are traded (such as any intoxicant as per the Shari'ah i.e. alcohol and narcotics, cigarettes, pornography, pork and whatever else falls under religious prohibition). Aside from this, natural resources, food, clothes, building materials and so on are not necisserily controlled by the state but by the seller (private owner). What the State obliges from the Muslims is Zakat (which is a tax that must be paid by Muslims within a certain financial bracket yearly), this money in turn goes back to the Muslims who do not meet the reuirments to pay Zakat, the poor and the needy in general.

The non-Muslim, living in a Muslim land is only obliged to pay the Jizya tax which is a tax obligatory on military aged dhimmi (non-Muslim in Muslim land) males, women, children, the elderly, the sick and so on are exempt from this tax.

[3bdushakur]

That is an actual interesting point to consider.
Can you be a true Muslim believer and a fully pledged capitalist at the same time?

Up to what point the two ideologies converge or clash

On another point, that you mentioned

Only Allah knows who is a true believer. A Muslim can still be a true believer and commit crimes, he is a Muslim criminal. In Islam the deviant group that asks the same question you did and makes takfeer (excommunicates, making a Muslims blood permissible to spill) are known as the Khawaarij (ISIS/Daesh, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood etc)...

If a person believes in Allah (alone) as the only deity worthy of worship and believes that Muhammad is His Final Messenger to mankind and testifies to this, he is a true believer, whatever comes after this is between Allah and the Muslim (and consequently anyone the Muslim may have cheated or oppressed).

So yes, a person can be a true believer in Allah and His Messenger and still be engaged in corrupted activities ...that person can also repent and abstain from his crimes against himself and others and Allah may forgive him because Allah is the (Al-Ghafoor) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (Ar-Raheem)...the same cannot be said about mankind tho, so...

Also, Allah will aide a person, Muslim or non-Muslim, so long as they are just and truthful, if they are opposite to this, Allah disgraces them, and the supplication of the oppressed, Muslim or non-Muslim, is answered by Allah, even if the oppressor is Muslim.


But for this to really make any sense, you have to know about Tawheed as was understood by the Companions of Allah's Messenger.

[3bdushakur]

two fake muslim sociopaths trying to talk economics

See, this is the same kind of mentality that ISIS have which allows them to go around killing Muslims and anyone else.

MarxWasRight would probably make an excellent ISIS soldier...he already follows a terrorist philosophy and has posted violent comments about overthrowing people he deems not in accordance to his world view, and has shared images indicating violence towards others...the kind of simpleton that would go around beheading Muslims and civilians for ISIS...right now he is just at murdering capitalists simply because he's poor and they're not...in the name of Communism.

MarxWasRight is the WRONG type of person to hold any radical ideologies.
All radicals are the wrong type of people to hold any extremist ideologies.
All extremist ideologies are the wrong ideologies to adopt.

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state

that definition is trash because businessmen and the government are in cahoots in capitalism , always.  for instance there are businessmen in the white house that push corporate agenda. it has been shown that public opinion does not hold any sway in pushing policy where the interests of the wealthy corporate owners does very much hold sway. this shows clearly that capitalism is not at all democratic.

There is nothing wrong, as far as I know, with privatizing a certain product and exporting said product in Islam so long as the transaction is not based on usary/interest, and the product itself is not prohibited in Islam.

and usury is heavily encouraged in capitalism. many people today are debtors.

See, this is the same kind of mentality that ISIS have which allows them to go around killing Muslims and anyone else.

MarxWasRight would probably make an excellent ISIS soldier...he already follows a terrorist philosophy and has posted violent comments about overthrowing people he deems not in accordance to his world view, and has shared images indicating violence towards others...the kind of simpleton that would go around beheading Muslims and civilians for ISIS...right now he is just at murdering capitalists simply because he's poor and they're not...in the name of Communism.

MarxWasRight is the WRONG type of person to hold any radical ideologies.
All radicals are the wrong type of people to hold any extremist ideologies.
All extremist ideologies are the wrong ideologies to adopt.

you spend too much effort trolling only to fail so miserably at it. this is the dumbest crap you've written yet.

[3bdushakur]

@marx was right

That was effortless because it was based on you and your posts, I didn't have to exert myself in typing that. Do not give yourself undeserved credit.

Usary may be encourage but it is not a principle or obligatory in Capitalist society.
And simply because there are corrupt forms of government making deals with business men does not mean that this is the foundation of capitalism, it is the result of corrupted individuals in power, capitalism is a mere venue for them to excersize and abuse that power...and wealth.

[3bdushakur]

@marx was right

What country do you live in? You type like a suburban American.