Is communism good or bad?

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

Without wanting to defend communism...
All the things you are saying against it, do not target communism...

All your arguments are against Authoritarianism!

And many authoritarian regimes of our times have claimed to be communist in order to control the masses. But that does not change the fact that those regimes are authoritarian.
Just try to be precise on what you are talking about...

Personally, I find communism and capitalism to be the opposite sides of the same coin.
In the end, most 'communist' countries collapsed from external factors and external embargos
Countries with communist like systems are like the children that stand on the side and all other children don't play with them.

Cherrios

the united states still has an embargo on cuba, for no reason, except that cuba uses a different economic system that gives all their people health care and housing, which is bad(?)

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

lol the author of gulag archipelago  is a fascist sympathizer and brain damaged guy.

[~ToRa~]

You put someone like JOSEPH STALIN or FIDEL CASTRO in charge and they'll make sure all the people have homes and food and jobs 

You sir are afflicted with extreme white guilt.
The fact you write off all the warcrimes commited by communist regimes run by the likes of Stalin and Castro as mere “propaganda” really says a lot.

Capitalism is a "bad" system because the laborer is paid less than the worth of what he produces so that the owners can earn money and grow their businesses. It has gotten better through the years because workers are now able to receive health benefits and have certain rights that the business owners cannot violate whenever they wish. One of the greatest criticisms of Karl Marx's views of capitalism was that he viewed it as a still-shot that would never change. In reality, capitalism is a dynamic system that has changed itself over time to remain dominant.

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

One of the greatest criticisms of Karl Marx's views of capitalism was that he viewed it as a still-shot that would never change.

no he didnt

It has gotten better through the years because workers are now able to receive health benefits and have certain rights that the business owners cannot violate whenever they wish.

in the rich exploiter first world, workers have both made progress and slid backward both over the years depending on the level of angst from the working class, and the level of threat the capitalist class was udner.  since the fall of the soviet union and the subsequent triumphant hegemony of capitalism i think it's gotten worse with the rich being ever richer and the neglected poor falling further behind.  in the global south capitalism just keeps sucking like the vampire it is!

You sir are afflicted with extreme white guilt.
The fact you write off all the warcrimes commited by communist regimes run by the likes of Stalin and Castro as mere “propaganda” really says a lot.

what does being white have to do with anything?

anyway fidel castro was a just leader who imprisoned far fewer people than a country like america imprisoned and who lifted his people up.  stalin was more brutal and i wont defend every choice he made but i do think he did what he felt he needed to do in order to defend the revolution, which was in its infant stages and which under a lesser ruler might have been strangled in the cradle.

the gulag archipelago is a bunch of scary campfire ghost stories, not strictly fact, and one could easily write a sequel to it about the prison industrial complex in the USA today, which exists for far more nefarious purposes than defending socialism and equality, ie it exists to enforce racism and the riches of the fuckers in their private gated communities

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lmao. i want to know what "war crimes" were committed by Stalin and especially Castro.  and what acknowledging bourgeois propaganda against communist states has to do with "white guilt" HAAAAAAAAHAAA

[~ToRa~]

the united states still has an embargo on cuba, for no reason, except that cuba uses a different economic system that gives all their people health care and housing, which is bad(?)

Cuba had become a communist dictatorship once Fidel Castro took over the country. The US government discovered in 1962 that it was providing a military base to the Soviet Union and that a lot of missiles were on the way to get installed there. (Though NATO did have a huge number of missiles in West Europe aimed at the USSR.)
The US government threatened a nuclear attack if those missiles were installed, and slapped greater sanctions on Cuba. The missile carrying ships were turned back, the few already in place were un-installed and sent back, but the sanctions remained since Castro was always anti-America.

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capitalism's continual survival has been because of capitulations to the working class.. better wages and better working conditions at the extreme apprehension of the owning class. next capitulation seems likely to be basic income. it is necessary for the survival of capitalism for the workers to be mostly content with their conditions.

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

the united states still has an embargo on cuba, for no reason, except that cuba uses a different economic system that gives all their people health care and housing, which is bad(?)

Cuba had become a communist dictatorship once Fidel Castro took over the country. The US government discovered in 1962 that it was providing a military base to the Soviet Union and that a lot of missiles were on the way to get installed there. (Though NATO did have a huge number of missiles in West Europe aimed at the USSR.)
The US government threatened a nuclear attack if those missiles were installed, and slapped greater sanctions on Cuba. The missile carrying ships were turned back, the few already in place were un-installed and sent back, but the sanctions remained since Castro was always anti-America.

not sure how Cuba defending itself is a bad thing, go fuck yourself dimwit.

[~ToRa~]

what does being white have to do with anything?

I'm trying to understand your extremist stance on sociology. I've been reading your posts for years now and you seem to feel guilt toward the treatment of minorities in America.

since the fall of the soviet union and the subsequent triumphant hegemony of capitalism i think it's gotten worse with the rich being ever richer and the neglected poor falling further behind.  in the global south capitalism just keeps sucking like the vampire it is!

I wouldn't say it's gotten a lot worse.
The biggest change with the fall of communism in the east would probably be American manufacturers moving there operations overseas to cut costs.

Could there be improvements to the economically displaced here in America, sure. There have been a lot of improvements across the globe since the turn of the 20th century. The fact we debating this topic on a public internet forum is one of the thousands of evidences of this.

America is not free of committing war crimes as evidenced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guant%C3%A1namo_Bay
However there is no one person in charge here in America. Stalin was someone who ruled Russia for over 30 years.

Stalin was someone who signed a decree to the effect that all Russian soldiers who allowed themselves to be taken prisoner were to be considered traitors and enemies of the state. They and their entire families were subject to exile, imprisonment or execution. Joseph Stalin was therefore, by his own decree, legally subject to execution for treason when his son was taken prisoner.
But hey one man's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter right?

[~ToRa~]

the united states still has an embargo on cuba, for no reason, except that cuba uses a different economic system that gives all their people health care and housing, which is bad(?)

Cuba had become a communist dictatorship once Fidel Castro took over the country. The US government discovered in 1962 that it was providing a military base to the Soviet Union and that a lot of missiles were on the way to get installed there. (Though NATO did have a huge number of missiles in West Europe aimed at the USSR.)
The US government threatened a nuclear attack if those missiles were installed, and slapped greater sanctions on Cuba. The missile carrying ships were turned back, the few already in place were un-installed and sent back, but the sanctions remained since Castro was always anti-America.

not sure how Cuba defending itself is a bad thing, go fuck yourself dimwit.

You do realize you are an American citizen and a nuclear attack launched from communist Cuba in the 1960s would have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens.

[~ToRa~]

one could easily write a sequel to it about the prison industrial complex in the USA today, which exists for far more nefarious purposes than defending socialism and equality, ie it exists to enforce racism and the riches of the fuckers in their private gated communities

I wouldn't go so far as to say that's why it exists.
Prison is a business in America.
The average cost of incarcerating an American prisoner varies from state to state. Some states, like Indiana have managed to keep prices low at around $14,000 per inmate. While states like New York pay around $60,000 to keep its citizens behind bars. The costs of running the American prison system is expensive and has become increasingly so despite public opposition.

The fact we have privately owned for profit prisons in America is disturbing. Hopefully in the next 20-30 years as American attitudes change, reforms to the American prison system will come.

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stalins soldiers raped german women breaking martial law.

that was bad; extreme hatred of nazi filth and nazi war crimes in russia broke soviet soldier's minds and they went on a rampage. still unrelated to communism though.

[tora is a simp bitch for billionaires]

the united states still has an embargo on cuba, for no reason, except that cuba uses a different economic system that gives all their people health care and housing, which is bad(?)

Cuba had become a communist dictatorship once Fidel Castro took over the country. The US government discovered in 1962 that it was providing a military base to the Soviet Union and that a lot of missiles were on the way to get installed there. (Though NATO did have a huge number of missiles in West Europe aimed at the USSR.)
The US government threatened a nuclear attack if those missiles were installed, and slapped greater sanctions on Cuba. The missile carrying ships were turned back, the few already in place were un-installed and sent back, but the sanctions remained since Castro was always anti-America.

not sure how Cuba defending itself is a bad thing, go fuck yourself dimwit.

You do realize you are an American citizen and a nuclear attack launched from communist Cuba in the 1960s would have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens.

you realize Cuba has a right to defend itself? you already acknowledged it yourself, usa had missiles pointed at the ussr far before the cuban incident.

[~ToRa~]

you realize Cuba has a right to defend itself? you already acknowledged it yourself, usa had missiles pointed at the ussr far before the cuban incident.

We are debating why America put sanctions on Cuba, I'm telling you why that is. Cuba allied itself with Soviet Union who attempted to use Cuba as a military base. Now that the Soviet Union has collapsed and Fidel died we are seeing an ease of sanctions on Cuba.

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Chinese communists murdered 38,7 million people. This number doesn't take into account deaths caused by forced labour.

27 million people were estimated to have died in prisons and labor camps during Mao Zedong's rule.

also famine killed 27 million people between years 1959 and 1963.

Also Chinese Nationalists murdered 10,2 million. The nationalists "ideological sources including traditional Chinese thinking, American progressivism, Marxism, and Russian ethnological thought"

Total so far: 102,9 million

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/CHINA.TAB1.2.GIF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_nationalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai

the numbers are dubious at best. 100 million dead?  China had one of the largest population growth's in its history during this time span you're talking about. doesn't add up. your death toll numbers are extremely exaggerated.