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Re: Re: Trump won and all I can think about is ^adam^
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2016, 08:32:21 PM »
America has no national religion. We are a secular country that separates church and state.
 
The founding fathers died almost 300 years ago what they stood for and believed means very little at this point. What matters is what the current generation wants and believes

plus they were all wealthy racist plantation owners.

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« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2016, 08:32:34 PM »
well damn. I guess trump doesn't want to die. The people that back hilary are more powerful than the american government. If he was to prosecute her, then he would be challenging the status qou. And the risk of doing so, is counter-intuitive if he wants to serve the people. He can't do that when he's dead.
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« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2016, 08:33:23 PM »
America has no national religion. We are a secular country that separates church and state.
 
The founding fathers died almost 300 years ago what they stood for and believed means very little at this point. What matters is what the current generation wants and believes

plus they were all wealthy racist plantation owners.

yeah even though plantations were only in the south. And saying a whole race of people is racist, is racist. No one will argue that racism doesn't exist, but how many people from 300 years ago have you talked to?
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« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2016, 08:36:13 PM »
Your aware that the founding fathers believed a black man was worth 3/5 of a white man? They lived in a different era.

An era we dont live in today.

These were people that essentially claimed right to America and said they "discovered" it despite there being a people already living there.(native indians)
The ideals and beliefs people held in the 1700s cannot be compared to the ideals and beliefs we hold today.

Sir Isaac Newton -- The Discoverer of Gravity! Sir Isaac Newton was an English mathematician and mathematician and physicist who lived from 1642-1727. The legend is that Newton discovered Gravity when he saw a falling apple while thinking about the forces of nature.

So based on this argument, gravity  isn't real?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos


humanity has always built off of what others have done, all of human history is just flat out progress, all the way

huh, gravity isn't an idea, it's an observable phenomenon.

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« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2016, 08:37:49 PM »
Your aware that the founding fathers believed a black man was worth 3/5 of a white man? They lived in a different era.

An era we dont live in today.

These were people that essentially claimed right to America and said they "discovered" it despite there being a people already living there.(native indians)
The ideals and beliefs people held in the 1700s cannot be compared to the ideals and beliefs we hold today.

Sir Isaac Newton -- The Discoverer of Gravity! Sir Isaac Newton was an English mathematician and mathematician and physicist who lived from 1642-1727. The legend is that Newton discovered Gravity when he saw a falling apple while thinking about the forces of nature.

So based on this argument, gravity  isn't real?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos


humanity has always built off of what others have done, all of human history is just flat out progress, all the way

huh, gravity isn't an idea, it's an observable phenomenon.

i don't even know what you're talking about.

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Re: Re: Trump won and all I can think about is ^adam^
« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2016, 08:49:04 PM »
America has no national religion. We are a secular country that separates church and state.
 
The founding fathers died almost 300 years ago what they stood for and believed means very little at this point. What matters is what the current generation wants and believes

plus they were all wealthy racist plantation owners.

yeah even though plantations were only in the south. And saying a whole race of people is racist, is racist. No one will argue that racism doesn't exist, but how many people from 300 years ago have you talked to?


what are you talking about "whole race", we're specifically talking about the wealthy white rich racist plantation owners that wrote the constitution.

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« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2016, 08:49:41 PM »
Your aware that the founding fathers believed a black man was worth 3/5 of a white man? They lived in a different era.

An era we dont live in today.

These were people that essentially claimed right to America and said they "discovered" it despite there being a people already living there.(native indians)
The ideals and beliefs people held in the 1700s cannot be compared to the ideals and beliefs we hold today.

Sir Isaac Newton -- The Discoverer of Gravity! Sir Isaac Newton was an English mathematician and mathematician and physicist who lived from 1642-1727. The legend is that Newton discovered Gravity when he saw a falling apple while thinking about the forces of nature.

So based on this argument, gravity  isn't real?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos


humanity has always built off of what others have done, all of human history is just flat out progress, all the way

huh, gravity isn't an idea, it's an observable phenomenon.

i don't even know what you're talking about.

no shit. lol.

you replied to this comment "The ideals and beliefs people held in the 1700s cannot be compared to the ideals and beliefs we hold today."

with "but Newton discovered gravity hundreds of years ago" as  something comparable. like religious beliefs or out-dated ideas are comparable to natural law.
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« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2016, 07:37:03 AM »
okay, i can just as easily find tons of shit saying the contrary, will it be scientific documented evidence when you disagree with it?

(hillarious propaganda video removed)

There are so many people in the world who just have no clue about what the word "scientific" means. This is a classic example.

I actually put myself through listening to all 11 minutes of that, just to confirm that it is nothing but propaganda, and contains nothing but the author's biased opinion and no science whatsoever. There was one statistic quoted from the US census prior to 1930, but then he went on to say that this meant a whole pile of unrelated claptrap was true.

The rules of science are very clear. There is no 'grey area' - that is the whole point. Science must be repeatable. You must prove it, and you must be able to describe it in such a way that somebody else can conduct an experiment based on your hypothesis and get the same results.

All genuine scientific studies of value are then "peer reviewed". That means that if you are a physicist who wants to claim a new discovery, you publish it - then all the rest of the physicists in the world who are working in the same field (i.e. your peers) have the opportunity to test it out and and decide if its actually true or not.

Although most people don't see it, the competition between scientists is absolutely fierce. For every scientist who wants to claim a new discovery, there are another 10 who are competing for the same research grants and are desperate to prove them wrong, and they will, if they can. But if something is a scientific fact, it can't be proved wrong.

You can't take 1 fact then use that to claim that something else is true. That is called conjecture.

Science is NOT:

- Stuff that is said in fancy video presentations.
- Stuff that people preface with "scentific studies show"
- Stuff that actors in white coats say.
- Stuff that genuine scientists say!... they can be corrupt or nuts or just plain wrong, like any other person.

It's only science, if its provable, repeatable and peer reviewed.

Nobody reading this post can deny it, because the scientific process is what created the computer you're using to read it. Your computer does not work based on somebody's opinion, it works according to the known laws of physics, that were discovered using the scientific process.
 
Sir Isaac Newton -- The Discoverer of Gravity! Sir Isaac Newton was an English mathematician and mathematician and physicist who lived from 1642-1727. The legend is that Newton discovered Gravity when he saw a falling apple while thinking about the forces of nature.

So based on this argument, gravity  isn't real?

... and that is exactly the sort of twisted pseudo-logic that charletans have invented and spoon fed to simpletons since the dawn of society. It quotes a fact - in this case a fact involving a scientist (ooooo it must be true!), then goes on to make an unrelated claim that pushes somebody's agenda.

I amazes me that in 2016 there are still people doughy enough to fall for this sort of garbage.

humanity has always built off of what others have done, all of human history is just flat out progress, all the way

No. People get things wrong. Entire civilizations rise and fall. Many, many people tried to fly by flapping their arms, but no matter how many people tried this exercise it never helped the invention of the aeroplane.

One thing I always observe in young people like yourself Tora, is the belief that the people of the past were somehow ignorant.

Clearly some parts of society remain every bit as ignorant today as they have ever been.
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« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2016, 10:06:11 AM »
okay, i can just as easily find tons of shit saying the contrary, will it be scientific documented evidence when you disagree with it?

(hillarious propaganda video removed)

There are so many people in the world who just have no clue about what the word "scientific" means. This is a classic example.

I actually put myself through listening to all 11 minutes of that, just to confirm that it is nothing but propaganda, and contains nothing but the author's biased opinion and no science whatsoever. There was one statistic quoted from the US census prior to 1930, but then he went on to say that this meant a whole pile of unrelated claptrap was true.

The rules of science are very clear. There is no 'grey area' - that is the whole point. Science must be repeatable. You must prove it, and you must be able to describe it in such a way that somebody else can conduct an experiment based on your hypothesis and get the same results.

All genuine scientific studies of value are then "peer reviewed". That means that if you are a physicist who wants to claim a new discovery, you publish it - then all the rest of the physicists in the world who are working in the same field (i.e. your peers) have the opportunity to test it out and and decide if its actually true or not.

Although most people don't see it, the competition between scientists is absolutely fierce. For every scientist who wants to claim a new discovery, there are another 10 who are competing for the same research grants and are desperate to prove them wrong, and they will, if they can. But if something is a scientific fact, it can't be proved wrong.

You can't take 1 fact then use that to claim that something else is true. That is called conjecture.

Science is NOT:

- Stuff that is said in fancy video presentations.
- Stuff that people preface with "scentific studies show"
- Stuff that actors in white coats say.
- Stuff that genuine scientists say!... they can be corrupt or nuts or just plain wrong, like any other person.

It's only science, if its provable, repeatable and peer reviewed.

Nobody reading this post can deny it, because the scientific process is what created the computer you're using to read it. Your computer does not work based on somebody's opinion, it works according to the known laws of physics, that were discovered using the scientific process.
 
Sir Isaac Newton -- The Discoverer of Gravity! Sir Isaac Newton was an English mathematician and mathematician and physicist who lived from 1642-1727. The legend is that Newton discovered Gravity when he saw a falling apple while thinking about the forces of nature.

So based on this argument, gravity  isn't real?

... and that is exactly the sort of twisted pseudo-logic that charletans have invented and spoon fed to simpletons since the dawn of society. It quotes a fact - in this case a fact involving a scientist (ooooo it must be true!), then goes on to make an unrelated claim that pushes somebody's agenda.

I amazes me that in 2016 there are still people doughy enough to fall for this sort of garbage.

humanity has always built off of what others have done, all of human history is just flat out progress, all the way

No. People get things wrong. Entire civilizations rise and fall. Many, many people tried to fly by flapping their arms, but no matter how many people tried this exercise it never helped the invention of the aeroplane.

One thing I always observe in young people like yourself Tora, is the belief that the people of the past were somehow ignorant.

Clearly some parts of society remain every bit as ignorant today as they have ever been.


lambchops you are like the dumbest person on this forum. I can never read more than 3 lines of your useless drivel. And the fact that you agree with the socialists just hurts them.
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« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2016, 10:50:47 AM »
you can't even follow your own arguments as foonat already pointed out. you get confused easily, and totally don't understand most of the shit you're pretending to understanding. you also are a vile moron who supports slave labour.

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« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2016, 11:37:47 AM »
you can't even follow your own arguments as foonat already pointed out. you get confused easily, and totally don't understand most of the shit you're pretending to understanding. you also are a vile moron who supports slave labour.
lol i'm a vile moron who supports slave labor. I didn't know that. Either way i'm sorry for invading the socialist safe space. Morons who read george hegel and marxist and think that they're intellectuals on economics by reading systems that have been proven faulty time and time again. Ideas are malleable, words are malleable, but reality is not malleable. Now since you've resorted to name calling and the classic liberal shenanigans of accusations with no proof, i will leave you to mourn with each other.

Enjoy your new president.

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« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2016, 12:22:50 PM »
marxists are anti-liberal.  mao wrote a pamphlet called "combat liberalism."  please never call a leftist a "liberal" again.  it is extremely offensive!
    

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« Reply #57 on: November 23, 2016, 02:07:28 PM »


lol i'm a vile moron who supports slave labor. I didn't know that.

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Businesses are making robots to replace workers, because of the minimum wage law. Their shitty government education doesn't give them the knowledge or experience to justify them making the minimum wage, so they can't work. And business are getting tired of paying unfair wages to people, so they are replacing them. But it's not regardless of wages, it's because of wages. Making 50 cents under what's required by law would literally give jobs back to people.

that's closest to advocating for slave labour you can get without outright saying "i support slave labour".

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Either way i'm sorry for invading the socialist safe space. Morons who read george hegel and marxist and think that they're intellectuals on economics by reading systems that have been proven faulty time and time again.

it was never proven faulty, if you knew anything about history, attempts at socialism were always undermined by capitalist powers.
you brought up the soviet union earlier as proof of socialism's failure but you couldn't point me to another period in russian history where they were more powerful.

according to this drooling idiot actually reading and knowing facts is believing "that they're intellectuals" . lol.

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Ideas are malleable, words are malleable, but reality is not malleable. Now since you've resorted to name calling and the classic liberal shenanigans of accusations with no proof, i will leave you to mourn with each other.

yea ideas are malleable but reactionaries are more stubborn to change their ideas.

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Enjoy your new president.


enjoy when he does absolutely nothing you thought he was going to do.

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« Reply #58 on: November 23, 2016, 04:15:37 PM »
lambchops you are like the dumbest person on this forum. I can never read more than 3 lines of your useless drivel. And the fact that you agree with the socialists just hurts them.

LOL.

For the record I think its a great pity that socialism simply does not work.

The reason it does not work is that the human race contains too many small-minded, entitled, bigoted, hypocrtical morons like yourself who have allowed its ideals to be corrupted by smarter assholes every time it has been attempted.

Its easy to be correct when your point is "doing the decent thing won't work.", you just have to be yourself. Q.E.D.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2016, 04:20:35 PM by Lambchops »
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« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2016, 02:30:08 PM »
I see that Yamon is still trying to educate people on here.  In regards to the min wage discussion...  if you want a great example look at the states that just passed higher Min wage laws, then do a search for automated services that McDonalds just announced for testing and roll out to replace those jobs.  If you think min wage increases don't have a direct impact on loss of jobs, maybe you shouldn't look to the politicians propaganda and look at what the businesses that are directly impacted are doing.  When unemployment raises the cost of labor would naturally become lower as the supply of workers has increased.  By have a law/regulation in place min wage, it negates the natural process of supply/demand and restricts the ability to compete or correct that supply.