Tier 1-2-3 lists

[Nox]

dude those guys are retards.

[Warchief Lightbringer-]

I've not seen LTFAN play at all (or I don't recall). What is his name on the server?

Edit: What do you think of my counter proposal based on yamons list?

[Igognito]

Hi all,

I cant really help you with ranking players...
Sometimes it is so random. For example even in GoW my 12/2 game is much stronger than my other spot games and I could sometimes out rush and win a stronger in general player if I get those locations. But in 8/10 times I would normally lose.

Regardless, I have a Tier based suggestion: Set a number (min-max) of players that should be at each tier!

Legend Tier: Held by the One (starting with Swift)
Tier 1: The challengers holders of the Master tag: 10-15 (Min-Max)
Tier 2: The upcoming talents: 15-30
Tier 3: The familiar: no limit
Non tiered players: The rest... (smurfs/new players/consistently bad players)

Feel free to change my numbers. The idea is to have enough people at each tier to get a tournament running.

Now about categorization: obviously when 1 wins a tourney of a tier, automatically advances to the next tier.
Higher tier players cant participate with lower tier players.
Lower tier players can participate at any tourney. (This also required in order for a player to get in Tier 3).

Thus a Tier 3 player is anyone that has participated at at least one tourney (and most probably lost it).
Obviously there is no lower than tier 3 tournaments.
Neither we need to have a lower categorization... Being on a tier it only changes the amount of tourneys you can participate and means nothing more or less.
If people want rankings to compare their skill for 1v1, then make an elo based ladder.

We could have events and awards for new players only though in order to promote more people to join.

Now, as you might noticed I have placed a Max person number per tier. Which means when for some reason a tier has more people then we need to demote one or more players. This is sad, but this will keep the Tier 1 much more challenging.

We should not have a demotion though at each tourney. There must be a specified tourney that all member and only those members will participate in order to find out who to demote. Something like: find the loser tourney than find the winner :-P.

All the above are just ideas I have and I'm sharing them in good will and hoping that will help.
If Tora or anyone else wants to elaborate on them I would be happy to continue and help.

Cheers

[Igognito]

Ohh I forgot something important.
No need to place anyone at Tier 2 just with your or other people's opinion...
Organize a few tier 3 tournaments and you will get your tier 2 list of players in no time (Just promote the 2 that reach at the finals)!

You have a starting Tier 1 list (the master holders) with 8 tier 3 tourneys you get your first tier 2 holders and you can hold a tier 2 tourney to get your new challenger. (obviously I'm not assigning any money awards on those)

If you think that 8 tourneys are too much to organize do a 1 grand tourney that 16 people will advance! or 4 of four etc... If you want I can help you with the structure of the tourneys

Cheers

[shesycompany]

yeah but these people know most of the people ig..take for example when any of the t1's play they are at the top in no time and Win% is way greater than Loss%.

[Igognito]

I left the Tier 1 as is... (The master holders + Sepi)
I just say it would take no time and plenty of fun for us to derive with tourneys Tier 2. Tier 3 will be the rest that participated on those tourneys.

It is possible that there are not enough Tier 2-3 players to make this categories either way.

Lets say that Tora organizes a Tier 3 (without tier 2 restrictions) tourney how many players will they appear? For Tier 2 11 appeared and I was 1 of them! (I doubt I'm even tier 3 in their point of view)

If we are lucky we might be able to get 30 people to participate... Then we need to split them to 15/15 and there you are.
And the process? Was simply fun :-) and objective allowing players to feel they earned their place!

As I said just ideas for mental food :-)

Another solution is to allow players to place themselves to tier 2 just because they want too. Either way the only get excluded by tier 3 tourneys.
So you think you are Tier 2? Good I put you on the list of tier 2 you wont be able to participate on tier 3 tourneys! When the list is full, you run a demote tourney :-P

Cheers

[~ToRa~]

Tora asked Yamon to build the tier system. Let me say that again.

TORA ASKED YAMON TO BUILD THE TIER SYSTEM.

So if you see some silly biased stuff in the tier system, you should veto it, saying it was built by Yamon.

I never told him to "build" it for me. I asked his opinion on the matter.
And I ask you as well. What tier do you believe players should stand in. Post bellow and tell me what you think.

[Sentinel1]

I agree with most of the changes LB made to Yamon's list and would also change:

Greenagenda down to 4
Talrand down to 4
Chopstyx up to 3
LTfan up to 2 or 3

[woofy]

startale's 1's game is on point these days, tier 1.

ltfan, tier 4? wtf? ltfan > tier 2. immediately

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

He's in Tora's tier 2.

Here is my list,
Tier1
00kyle,
u8t3io3p
braviet
Shotgun
Startale
Alf-Attack
BHC-Jesk
Medivh
Viruz
00Joe
00Logan
Player
Knitterhemd
Sepi


Tier2
tyrus
Yamon
Greenagenda
Mystical
Spb
00steve
00Steph
ogremage
Mythical
-Koorb-
TWN-cancel
UNF0RG1VEN
Dugs[anz]
DoritoeFU
Allstar
$liCk
Ltfan
Tabac[Man]
Teaboy
^PaperBoy~SoL^
Ywfn

It was Yamon suggested him in tier 4, maybe doesn't know him

[woofy]

yeah i just looked again, yamon put himself in tier 2 when half the tier 3 players he wouldn't stand a chance against!

[LuX]

Here is where and how I believe Tiers should look:

Tier 1 = 10 players
Tier 2 = 15 Players
Tier 3 = 20 players
Tier 4 = 30 players

This causes a bottleneck for a player to have to work harder to advance to the next tier

Tier 1:
Shotgun
Swazgier
Jesk
Viruz
00Steve
Startale
Alf
00Joe
Braviet
Foonat

Tier 2:
Knitterhemd
Player
00Logan
00Tony
Medivh
Yamon
Sepi
Mystical
Poscow
PB
Equinox
Teaboy
Tyrus
Tabac[Man]
JayHawkerz

Tier 3:
Donger
Koorb
SPB
Sparkz102
Ogremage
Jordan
Youngsta
TK
Dugs
ESN
YWFN
Slacher
Jynx
Harrywangs
Angel~Fire
$lick
Gleip~
Blid
Allstar
Max.X.OverKill

Tier 4:
Bobbo
Doritoe
Poiuyt
Noise
XBremer
Strata
Stugotz
Earth[iS]
TWN-Cancel
Zeke
Talrand
KancaPOB
Ilyich
BHC-Butcher
Casami
Mecklar
Maciek
MillionsMan
Azazel
Sh4de
Disgruntled
PBRmeASAP
Nedro
Tora
Lightbringer
Deathknight~
jessu
t-pot
Viet~Pro
SilentBlazze

Tier 5:
TBD

Let me know what you think, or should i say let the flaming begin!

[the_magician]

00steph is also pretty good from what i've seen

[LuX]

00steph = 00steve

[LTFan]

Lux im a little concerned with your biased opinion on Jordan... putting him in tier 3 when every single person in that tier 4 list can beat him 10-0!