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[tk[as]]

I don't play any more but I assure you any decent EF player will be as good or better than u on your map/speed after a good 15-20 games.

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Any good EF player would destroy me on EF GOW or F GOW or any BNE with any speed I totally agree with that lmao. However no great EF player would beat me on PBalls. Even Swift or Viruz given a month to practice would not beat me consistently more than around say 33% total or a bit more record win percent in PBall(So I'm saying I'd win 2-1) overall prolly. In fact back in 2006-2008 the Mother of my kid used to be friends with Swift. I have played Swift in PBall and I used to beat him when we played. Just because someone is good in BNES on EF or F does not translate to PBall skill. I would get owned in BNES on any speed by good BNE players. They would get their hat, coat, and shoes taken by me in PBall even with time to practice. Haha.

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

I don't play any more but I assure you any decent EF player will be as good or better than u on your map/speed after a good 15-20 games.

I dunno about that.  Great players like Viruz or Swift could definitely beat any pballer with a little bit of practice, but random vets like me and you might not have the particular talent to beat a really good pballer.

[tk[as]]

Any YouTube videos of the maps ur talking about.. it'll be really easy to see how technical it is of someone decent recorded themselves playing it

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Wrong. I've played many BNE players over the years. Medivh plays PBall in between GOW games. I have a better win record vs him overall though. Also like I said Swift PBalled at one time and I beat him as well different times back in the day. Koorb, RIPE[Euro], and other good BNE players have also sometimes played PBall and they aren't that great. Viruz joined my game one time 45 Man PBall and he got literally raped by me he said he didn't like the map at all but he had never played. A lot of BNE players actually suck at PBall even if they practice up they are just good PBallers like the best of the normal PBallers. I welcome any PBaller Swift, Viruz, whoever to practice up and play me 1v1 in 45 Man or 80 Man PBall.

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

They just haven't played it as much as you have.  A truly top BNE player has all the skills needed to be great at pball.  If they have super fast reactions and good micro skill, which the best of the best do, then with practice they'd beat every single pball player out there.  We know this because they can already beat every BNE player out there.  And if someone (you?) were still able to beat them after they practiced, then you should probably go become a diamond league moba player or something.

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

You are right about the experience aspect of me being good. There is no one who understand PBall strategies as well me probably, I have also made over 100 finished variations of PBall maps, and played around 20,000 games of PBall since 2002. Also it's not just experience in the strategies and game play I am very fast reacting and moving. There are people that are on my level but I generally have a better record than any PBaller over the course of time and I win more series. Godly BNE players would definitely get into PBall easier but they have to learn everything and get experience. Also single player PBall games aren't very good at increasing your skill because the computer doesn't move except when attacked except mages. Anyone wants practice up in PBall I host pretty often or Flea does or Evil~Manowar.

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

Any YouTube videos of the maps ur talking about.. it'll be really easy to see how technical it is of someone decent recorded themselves playing it

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[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Adam-W is a very good chop player who started PBalling about a year ago. We have played 1v1s for the last 6 months or so in a "record". I have lead him for the entire 6 months except when he got ahead for a bit in the middle for a week. Right now I'm like 38-37 vs him overall on the record. Before we started this record though I was about 5-2 vs him and beat him the finals of a tournament. That game you posted is a very good game where we both fought down to a few units. He is an example of a build(chop though) player practicing up and getting pretty damn good. I'm still above him though skill wise. That is the 45 Man tournament map in that video as well there is a normal version slightly bigger and a bit different(same units though).

[tk[as]]

Gonna watch it after work. Bb in 3hrs

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Oh TK that was a question about the maps I play on Youtube? I didn't realize that, yeah the link below my posts is my Youtube channel louieo1988. I have around 25 PBall videos uploaded. I have 100s to over 1000 individual games recorded if I ever went through all the crap I have recorded lol. I mostly play 2v3s and 2v4s on teams because me and my pards like a challenge and we're good. I 1v1 for the competition and in tournaments and will play even team games with all good PBallers in the game. There is some tournaments on my Youtube, a lot of 2v3s, owning Sale39 and Archer in 1v2 2 diff videos(beat him 3-0 same teams but only recorded the last 2) haha. The one Blid posted is a good game though.

[{Lance}]

Wow I think I just hurled watching that monstrosity of a video   That was nothing but a blind searchfest.  Who was red?  Dudes UC was horrid and OJ just stood around like a moron doing pretty much nothing until the end when it became searchfest 2.0 after the initial searchfest at the beginning.

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Lol Lance you can troll all you want. You couldn't play near that level vs me or Adam or any good PBaller really. Luckfest blah blah we didn't fight down to 2 units each at the end by luck. My unit control is very good and I know how control PBall units. If my UC is so bad and that game is just a luck fest care for a 1v1 in that map or another PBall? Im available now let me know.

[tk[as]]

im sorry man but i watched like 10 different pball videos hoping i would see something different like "ok. that takes some skill"  .. but basically it's just you and sometimes someone else killing people with horrible unit control and just running around like a chicken with their head cut off.

there is absolutely no reason a decent gow player (spb skill or up) couldn't learn this in a few hours and be just as good as anyone else in a day or two.

im literally not trying to be a dick here.. this pball stuff is just a horrible sub culture of war2 that requires very little skill to be good at... and based on how much you're winning i am convinced the vast majority of them are literally clueless about the mechanics of war2 and are more or less just bum rushing desperately hoping they get some kills, but don't really expect to learn and have no interest in studying the game to even get better at a silly game like this

i know im coming off as a dick, literally not trying to ... but even remotely suggesting maps like this take skill even remotely close to classic EF maps (gow especially) is so far from reality that it shows a huge lack of understanding about the game in it's entirety on your own part.

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Comparing the skill of GOW and BNEs to PBall is 2 totally different skills. Because you see GOW skill you don't understand or classify PBall below the skill you consider GOW at. Tournament 1v1s between good PBallers are very skilled games, the chicken with it's head cut off you're talking about is 2v3s vs newbs. Lol I keep hearing first Swift and Viruz now you're throwing in newb players like spb. I've played top tier BNE players in PBall and easily beat them and I'm waiting for this BNE player to emerge who's going to beat me in a series of 45 Man.