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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: SmurfKinG on May 09, 2015, 07:07:09 PM
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Yes i know its a gimmick thing and it doesnt do anything on actual game.. but we doing nothing with em
Without going into details about rules and earning , just a poll if you are in favor of having a free custom icon on ur aka.. or you want them only earned.
Comments, thoughts.
Why yes or why only earned...
ill start.
I think everyone should have a free icon
I proposed this:
Spoiler
i really think everyone should deserve a custom icon
with a few restrictions.
- only 1 icon, period, no multiple icons on multiple akas, or the same icon on multiple akas.
just ONE icon on ONE aka.
- user must be either 2 years old playing ru or reach a certain amount of wins, (500? 1000?)
(aka not necesarily be installed on the aka with the wins)
- icon must be designed and submitted by user
- icon transfer aka to another aka only once a year. (to avoid further hassle to icon admin)
- alloewd icon change maybe every 6months?
- caught hackers = no more icons until further notice.
war2 ru lives because of the players commited and actual play. its like a small aesthetic gift. and its in our hands to give it.
Claw proposes this:
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1. Amount of wins / amounts of losses / amount of total games played - self explanatory. we could add more icons for these, or create separate icons for wins and seprate for losses...
2. Ladder - ABCDF (+ / -) iconz for ~~top200 ladder awarded by a parsing bot
3. amount of wins in the tournament - how i see this is like with the axes and first 10 wins, but simplified. For example 1 2 3 4 blue stripes for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th win in a tournament. Later on i'd say red or green stripes, then purple, or stars, or more complex thingies or even skulls. Idk, but this could make unique, interesting icons for the tournament winners. This may encourage people to participate in various tourneys. Tournament directors responsibility would be to report the tournament win to some icon admin or in a dedicated thread. I'd add a rule of 8-player-minimum to this as well... my personal favourite
it's possible to mix these ideas, but i'd prefer having #3 exclusively. I never cared for sware and profi TBH. however, 5k wins or 5k losses icons would be rather rare and maybe attractive too...
which proposal best describes your position on this (http://england.shelter.org.uk/__data/assets/image/0003/183936/Question-Mark-Small.gif)
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claws proposal
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Must have 500 plus wins for an icon of choice. Besides tourney icons or championships... You must also make it yourself or choose from the icons available. Only request once a year for change or whatever.
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Must have 500 plus wins for an icon of choice. Besides tourney icons or championships... You must also make it yourself or choose from the icons available. Only request once a year for change or whatever.
At least 8k games (wins + losses) for a customised icons.
500 wins is a joke.
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All icons earned. Some should be customizable.
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There needs to be an incentive to earn an icon. Mods should veto this poll!
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they cant veto, theres no "veto" in direct democracy!
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It's not direct democracy afaik....
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anyway im sick of these worthless polls. Some admin should just create the new icons (or state that its a bad/useless idea), make the master tag policy clear and THEN, only then (when something actually gets done) take the feedback from community. Jesus christ, we got a bunch of forum nerd retards (me included) arguing about something which will probably never get done anyway. And for what? A couple of lousy icons... mousetopher got them up and working on her server through the night, and we're just running around like headless chickens starting shitty polls and creating shitty threads.
mousetopher, do you have the necessary access to the server for the new icons? ;p
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+1 to Smurfking's idea.
- Awarded based on account age or number of wins/games played. (500 seems low, 8000 seems high, it's okay maybe for people who have played here for ten years but prohibitive to new players.)
- User-submitted icons subject to approval by myself or someone with half a modicum of design sense, so people don't upload just any old ugly/blurry/mspaint bs.
- Certain tags that can only be acquired by winning tournies.
mousetopher, do you have the necessary access to the server for the new icons? ;p
Noo, but fine, I'll email the boss about it since it doesn't look like it's happening otherwise. Also, if I'm going to the trouble of adding/making/uploading custom icons all the time then I want some genuine community participation and assurance that this whole affair isn't going to fizzle and die in two weeks. You use your mad skills to create a stealthbot script that allows users to self-assign icons based on Smurfking parameters or similar. Agreed?
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I ask that you at least add....
the proposals i quoted (myself and claws) were meant to be taken as a reference. Not a straight follow rule by rule guideline.
(the restrictions in either proposals may be settled/modified later...)
the main aim of thread is to know people's feels and stance about the subject
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I ask that you at least add....
the proposals i quoted (myself and claws) were to be meant to be taken as a reference. Not a straight follow rule by rule guideline.
(the restrictions in either proposals may be settled later...)
the main aim of thread is to know people's feels and stance about the subject
I removed my post after a reconsideration. I see some problems here (some I didn't even list), but I think it's better that I stay out of it and let it run it's course.
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yeah i noticed but i decided to... let my reply stay (not delete), for future references :P
but yes lets see how it goes.
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ofc icons for ppl.
why arent admins saying anything ? too much work? lol...
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why arent admins saying anything ? too much work?
well apparently too much work for YOU to state your opinion. Is:
ofc icons for ppl.
the ONLY thing you have to say about this matter? "ofc icons for ppl."? And youre calling others lazy? LOL
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that is because i have posted about this matter about 7 times in this forum and also in the earlier forum. so u can understand im kinda fkin bored to repeat myself for megalazy fagg0ts.
+ i did vote.
i even voted for ur solution.
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oh sorry i talked bullshit.
i voted for "A mix of the two. earned and given 1 free icon for all." not ur choise.
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that is what i want. ty! :P
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I voted for a mix of the two. However, I'd like to see custom icons used freely without limitations.
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well
this thread is like asking people what do they want, an orange or an apple...
and the answers are:
grape, watermelon, banana, pineapple, soursop, pear, tangerine
and hoping to get a common denominator :P 8)
(https://ylprambles.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/madness.jpg)
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Well, "earned only" seems to be leading anyway... and its the easiest to make :P
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well, thing is poll options and its results arent accurate
they doesnt really reflect what people think.
for instance
teron voted earned only
but this post
At least 8k games (wins + losses) for a customised icons.
500 wins is a joke.
that means he agrees for customized icons but with some other higher requirement.
if anything, his vote would be on the a mix of the two section.
teenkid~ryu says earned but customized..
thats not a mix of two but something else.. but surely not claws proposal entirely :P if u catch my drift
and theres the ganz situation, his vote isnt accountable since he isnt a player of the game. :o
also, i highly encouraged ppl to write their thoughts, not just vote.. like the other voters (player, howl, il, seduce) who havent voiced in their opinions..
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well, thing is poll options and its results arent accurate
they doesnt really reflect what people think.
for instance
teron voted earned only
but this post
At least 8k games (wins + losses) for a customised icons.
500 wins is a joke.
that means he agrees for customized icons but with some other higher requirement.
if anything, his vote would be on the a mix of the two section.
teenkid~ryu says earned but customized..
thats not a mix of two but something else.. but surely not claws proposal entirely [emoji14] if u catch my drift
and theres the ganz situation, his vote isnt accountable since he isnt a player of the game. :o
also, i highly encouraged ppl to write their thoughts, not just vote.. like the other voters (player, howl, il, seduce) who havent voiced in their opinions..
Well PedoKing is correct, i think..., what i mean't was that we should have a mix of the standard icons and a option for customizable icons. But in order to get either icons, a user must earn them by gaming or winning tournaments like we see on Warcraft III.
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+1 to Smurfking's idea.
- Awarded based on account age or number of wins/games played. (500 seems low, 8000 seems high, it's okay maybe for people who have played here for ten years but prohibitive to new players.)
- User-submitted icons subject to approval by myself or someone with half a modicum of design sense, so people don't upload just any old ugly/blurry/mspaint bs.
- Certain tags that can only be acquired by winning tournies.
mousetopher, do you have the necessary access to the server for the new icons? ;p
Noo, but fine, I'll email the boss about it since it doesn't look like it's happening otherwise. Also, if I'm going to the trouble of adding/making/uploading custom icons all the time then I want some genuine community participation and assurance that this whole affair isn't going to fizzle and die in two weeks. You use your mad skills to create a stealthbot script that allows users to self-assign icons based on Smurfking parameters or similar. Agreed?
NO! This server is a democracy like iL said and the poll clearly shows people want earned icons only.
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Earned with customizable and standard icons..... Don't see what is so difficult about that.
Also i suggest a "newb" icon for all new user accounts.
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This poll is far too ambiguous to be definitive. There's no clear definition of what = earned and what = free. Smurfking's idea says "free" but suggests a minimum number of wins or years played, which sounds more like "earned" to me. A lot of people seem to favor that idea, though some people consider "earned" to be from winning tournaments only. That's too limited IMO, there aren't very many tournaments and the same few people will probably always win them.
But you needn't worry anyway, as usual there's zero interest in any outside contribution to get the idea off the ground. So here's what I see happening -- you guys use your glorious powers of democracy to figure out how you want to use custom icons. If you want new ones, make them, send them to me all at once and I'll upload them to the server. The rest is up to you lot and whichever gracious admins you can rope into assigning the icons for you. Good luck!
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This poll is far too ambiguous to be definitive. There's no clear definition of what = earned and what = free. Smurfking's idea says "free" but suggests a minimum number of wins or years played, which sounds more like "earned" to me. A lot of people seem to favor that idea, though some people consider "earned" to be from winning tournaments only. That's too limited IMO, there aren't very many tournaments and the same few people will probably always win them.
But you needn't worry anyway, as usual there's zero interest in any outside contribution to get the idea off the ground. So here's what I see happening -- you guys use your glorious powers of democracy to figure out how you want to use custom icons. If you want new ones, make them, send them to me all at once and I'll upload them to the server. The rest is up to you lot and whichever gracious admins you can rope into assigning the icons for you. Good luck!
I mean't "earned" as....specific icons are unlocked after whatever amount of wins 500, 1000, 3000 etc. Some icons are unlocked for winning tournaments.
How is that difficult to understand.....basically I am saying don't give anything out for free.
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The rest is up to you lot and whichever gracious admins you can rope into assigning the icons for you. Good luck!
b-but ur a server admin too aren't ya?
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The rest is up to you lot and whichever gracious admins you can rope into assigning the icons for you. Good luck!
b-but ur a server admin too aren't ya?
Funny how she glorifies admin laziness.
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we have a poll which turned out to be worthless and inconclusive. People are questioning the most voted option because "they didnt know what it meant" or "they didnt know what THEY meant" or "the statement was vague". delete this thread and start a proper one. No stupid ass polls, just a thread with "1 post per thread" policy.
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we have a poll which turned out to be worthless and inconclusive. People are questioning the most voted option because "they didnt know what it meant" or "they didnt know what THEY meant" or "the statement was vague". delete this thread and start a proper one. No stupid ass polls, just a thread with "1 post per thread" policy.
I agree, and let it be final.
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I had a feeling this poll would end this way. Perhaps we should separate these issues in order to make it a little less complicated. I think we should have a discussion and a vote on earned icons first and then worry about custom submitted player icons. Earned icons will be much easier to start with. We could have a "Yes" or "No" poll for earned icons, but I think everyone clearly agrees we should have them.
Here are a few questions (and possible solutions) that come to mind when considering earned icons:
1. Are we going to use new icons or old icons for tournament winners and record achievements? (This really comes down to whether or not someone is willing to take the initiative to create them.)
2. How long will players keep the icons they win in tournaments? Who will manage this? Can it be automated? (I don't see this working out unless it's automated.)
3. Who will assign the icons for record achievements? (I think we should consider nominating admins/mods who are able to assist players with this.)
4. How many wins will it take to earn each icon? (Once this is decided on, I think we should have a page on the website that shows players what icons they can earn and how to earn them.)
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I'm totally against the customized, free icons for everyone with or without limits, because I'm aware of tons of problems this may cause. As for your questions:
1. Are we going to use new icons or old icons for tournament winners and record achievements? (This really comes down to whether or not someone is willing to take the initiative to create them.)
Yes and maybe, meh, we already have Sware and PROFI, may as well make them cooler. I'm a fan of using icons as an encouragement for people to play and icons-per-games-amount serve that purpose. Numbers? Not very low but not very high either, like: 500, 1000, 2000, 4000, 10000 wins. Setting a bar lower than 500 would open the door for smurfers to request icons and I don't like that very much. 500 looks fine as 500 wins under ones belt suggest that they served their time on the server and deserve a reward. You guys have to remember that the more popular icon is, the less value it presents. If everyone has this icon, nobody really does... example: who cares about axes and swords anymore?
2. How long will players keep the icons they win in tournaments? Who will manage this? Can it be automated? (I don't see this working out unless it's automated.)
I think claw has a neat idea.
Swift did hit it home though. I think when new icons are introduced, Swift & Viruz need one just for them that is above master. Then it would be a even playing field for the rest towards MASTER.
Or keep Swift and Viruz as MASTER and change everyone else's goal to something else.
Nooo, not two of them! Make them fight for it in an ef/f mixed bo11 epic seriez!! and only winner gets one
aaaanyway, as for special tags for special people and exceptions, no, not a fan of that. But how about this counter proposal:
1. 1st time master tags a regular master tag
2. 2nd, 3rd time master tags for the same player will be a slightly different master tag (different color or smth?)
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3. After 3 or 4 master tag wins, a new, "arch master" icon would be granted to that player every time he wins a master tag tourney
Which maps "deserve" the master tag is a separate issue. I think f, ef, chop and vague "custom" + vague "pball" for other maps is enough. 3 separate icons for the most played maps/sets and vague ones for the rest. Im not gona argue with gowfags that chop doesnt deserve its own icon or with customfags that 60men or archers totally deserve their own icon. Whatever dudlers, it's a start...
3. Who will assign the icons for record achievements? (I think we should consider nominating admins/mods who are able to assist players with this.)
I could definitely manage the tournament icons, win icons are meh, but whatevs, may do that too (if the game amount bar isnt set ridiculously low like 50...). But I know im a hated troll and a whore, so hopefully you'll find better candidates.
4. How many wins will it take to earn each icon? (Once this is decided on, I think we should have a page on the website that shows players what icons they can earn and how to earn them.)
Yes, definitely. A thread with game amounts and specific icons for them and a tournament archieve with MASTERS assigned to players (which would be needed if we ever used my bronze, silver, gold + arch masterchamp icons idea and a time limit on them, for which most of us agreed).
claw out
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I'm totally against the customized, free icons for everyone with or without limits, because I'm aware of tons of problems this may cause. As for your questions:
1. Are we going to use new icons or old icons for tournament winners and record achievements? (This really comes down to whether or not someone is willing to take the initiative to create them.)
Yes and maybe, meh, we already have Sware and PROFI, may as well make them cooler. I'm a fan of using icons as an encouragement for people to play and icons-per-games-amount serve that purpose. Numbers? Not very low but not very high either, like: 500, 1000, 2000, 4000, 10000 wins. Setting a bar lower than 500 would open the door for smurfers to request icons and I don't like that very much. 500 looks fine as 500 wins under ones belt suggest that they served their time on the server and deserve a reward. You guys have to remember that the more popular icon is, the less value it presents. If everyone has this icon, nobody really does... example: who cares about axes and swords anymore?
2. How long will players keep the icons they win in tournaments? Who will manage this? Can it be automated? (I don't see this working out unless it's automated.)
I think claw has a neat idea.
Swift did hit it home though. I think when new icons are introduced, Swift & Viruz need one just for them that is above master. Then it would be a even playing field for the rest towards MASTER.
Or keep Swift and Viruz as MASTER and change everyone else's goal to something else.
Nooo, not two of them! Make them fight for it in an ef/f mixed bo11 epic seriez!! and only winner gets one
aaaanyway, as for special tags for special people and exceptions, no, not a fan of that. But how about this counter proposal:
1. 1st time master tags a regular master tag
2. 2nd, 3rd time master tags for the same player will be a slightly different master tag (different color or smth?)
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3. After 3 or 4 master tag wins, a new, "arch master" icon would be granted to that player every time he wins a master tag tourney
Which maps "deserve" the master tag is a separate issue. I think f, ef, chop and vague "custom" + vague "pball" for other maps is enough. 3 separate icons for the most played maps/sets and vague ones for the rest. Im not gona argue with gowfags that chop doesnt deserve its own icon or with customfags that 60men or archers totally deserve their own icon. Whatever dudlers, it's a start...
3. Who will assign the icons for record achievements? (I think we should consider nominating admins/mods who are able to assist players with this.)
I could definitely manage the tournament icons, win icons are meh, but whatevs, may do that too (if the game amount bar isnt set ridiculously low like 50...). But I know im a hated troll and a whore, so hopefully you'll find better candidates.
4. How many wins will it take to earn each icon? (Once this is decided on, I think we should have a page on the website that shows players what icons they can earn and how to earn them.)
Yes, definitely. A thread with game amounts and specific icons for them and a tournament archieve with MASTERS assigned to players (which would be needed if we ever used my bronze, silver, gold + arch masterchamp icons idea and a time limit on them, for which most of us agreed).
claw out
All of this sounds excellent and has my full support. You've really thought this out well. It even satisfies my concern about Swift and Viruz being exceptions when it comes to icons. When you're ready, could you make a topic on the forum that outlines the structure you've described here? I strongly recommend that consideration is taken into making you an admin. I feel this should have been done a long time ago.
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I think the poll was pretty clear "Icons should be earned only! (claws proposal)" Unless you are a mongoloid with downs syndrome, its pretty self explanitory that icons must be earned only.
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I strongly recommend that consideration is taken into making you an admin
i really dont need that position, only offered my service in case nobody else was willing to do that...
here's a chat with burnt from 10th april for example:
(http://i.imgur.com/af27ExQ.jpg)
i dont like stupid people and stupid people dont like me, and im afraid thats not a good feature in an 'admin'
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Well, why not at least give you the privilege to assign icons and move stats? I don't think there will be much bias against you doing just that. What we need are active mods who are able to offer player support in the channel. I'd even be willing to do this too.
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They should setup a bot and set access to certain people. That way no admin needed you just need access. Also remove the say command to prevent abusing the bots access....
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b-but ur a server admin too aren't ya?
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That's a nice idea tupac, we were talking about doing the same thing for the /announce command for tourney hosts. You coding it?
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b-but ur a server admin too aren't ya?
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That's a nice idea tupac, we were talking about doing the same thing for the /announce command for tourney hosts. You coding it?
Not hard, can be done with flag system already built into SB.
My own bot does a variant of that.
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It's all ready to go. We can add command in as needed. Icons, vote ban, stats transfer. This has been a project of mine for a while I need to get back on task with it.
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what would vote ban do
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It's all ready to go. We can add command in as needed. Icons, vote ban, stats transfer. This has been a project of mine for a while I need to get back on task with it.
Vote ban is useless since the server is full of trolls who would abuse it.
Channel ban and server ban should be left to the judgement of a useful admin.
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what would vote ban do
Exactly what it says, the bot counts the number of 'yes' and 'no' votes from users in the channel and bans a person if it receives enough 'yes' votes.
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It's all ready to go. We can add command in as needed. Icons, vote ban, stats transfer. This has been a project of mine for a while I need to get back on task with it.
Vote ban is useless since the server is full of trolls who would abuse it.
Yeah, and full of retards with handful of bots also
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It's all ready to go. We can add command in as needed. Icons, vote ban, stats transfer. This has been a project of mine for a while I need to get back on task with it.
Vote ban is useless since the server is full of trolls who would abuse it.
Yeah, and full of retards with handful of bots also
I know, could you imagine such a person [emoji8]
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why dont u just give the icons?? there is clearly shit lots of ppl who want them. not a big thing.
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why dont u just give the icons?? there is clearly shit lots of ppl who want them. not a big thing.
Makes them meaningless, one of the main points to all of this is to increase player motivation in playing the game.
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