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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: KingHillBilly on November 13, 2024, 12:44:10 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rEfOTxr59o# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rEfOTxr59o#)
we'll see what they announce.. goes live in 1 minute
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available RIGHT NOW
Warcraft 1 and 2 fully remastered
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The updated graphics look well done imo. I hope the gameplay wasnt touched in either war1 or war2, they were perfect lol :D
https://ibb.co/mDkBsRz
(https://ibb.co/mDkBsRz)
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Idk if they tested this shit. Lol stuck on this screen
https://gyazo.com/64fc6e92762fbe70fbe8504184f5d551
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I’m stuck there as well khb
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The updated graphics look well done imo. I hope the gameplay wasnt touched in either war1 or war2, they were perfect lol :D
https://ibb.co/mDkBsRz
(https://ibb.co/mDkBsRz)
Hopefully there's a way to turn off all those health bars....gross...
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I hope so. I almost opted out after seeing the price, 40 bux. But I've been waiting 30yrs for this, so I suppose 40 isnt so bad..................... right after I figure out what my 18yr old pw was to battle.net hahaha. I just wish it had come sooner. I feel so handicapped without being able to use hotkeys anymore. My arthritis doesnt allow my hands to stretch or move quickly like they used to.
I was playing on a smurf in one of Shotguns game while he was streaming, and he totally called it out "I dont think this guy uses hotkeys". It's not that I dont know how to use them, its that I physically cant anymore and my play really shows it :( But it still the coolest game ever. Even if it's stephen hawkings style lol.
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KHB, I am getting the same thing launching warcraft 1. Glad they tested all this before releasing it. Typical blizzard fashion here.
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obv they aren't paying for good health.
Looks like you can buy it for 14.99 lance - separately
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o nice I didnt see that option yet :D thx lol 14.99 is the same exact price I paid like 30yrs ago at an OfficeMax. So fitting heh. Took some digging, but I did find the 14.99 option. I read your post right as I about about to click submit on the battlechest thing haha.
Damn, 2.46GBs for a 50MB game heh. To bad it doesnt actually load. Like you, I was stuck at the loading screen. I wonder if the server got overloaded already from all the War3 plebz trying to login for the new War3 heh.
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https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/warcraft-2-battle-net-edition#systemrequirements
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obviously some battle net login issues.. hopefully will be fixed soon
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Yeah I was about to say WTF...I just bought this game and can't login to battlenet. What a ripoff...
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NVM I’m in.
I’m the only one online LOL
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Eyo its crazy the game really looks good , and I wasn't expecting wc1 remaster man we got 2 handed axe wielding grunts in 4K so thats cool , I have seen the unit selection has been increased hoping for more new stuff anyone got the remaster version? Whats else changed? Are units less dumb now?
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NVM I’m in.
I’m the only one online LOL
Might be that way for a while. I still havent been able to get in lol. I bet these clowns tried to put ALL the remastered games on the same server clusters and just got smashed with login attempts for War3 lol.
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Oh, I figured out the issue. There was a pending update already, and my other updates were getting done before the war2 one. The original GoW is missing :/ They only have the BNE version in the DL.
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i'm a bit confused , i thought blizzard announced that there will be a war2 remaster.
Reading this, is the warcraft remaster already finished and ready for download?
Are we all going to download it now?
I mean, the last thing we want is for the small community to be split up again.
Some play on the .ru server and the others on the new remaster.
Or am I completely wrong?
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Them mfs really redraw even the win and loss screen apparently wc2 remaster costs 14.99$
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Well here's what it has and doesnt have:
It's not a remaster of battle.net, it's a remaster of the original DOS version.
Has no:
Chat lobby
No GoW (odd since it's a remake of the original)
No ally chat
No vis/unvis of opps or allies
No TvB
No Host controls (host cant set the teams)
No OBS mode (But neither original DOS nor BNET had those either)
No saving of games
Has:
Great graphics revamps
Greater unit selection counts
Original sounds
Ally vision
Fastest speed from BNE (Odd since original DOS didnt have that)
So basically no one know's who's which color (similar to the original where there was no allied vision). Kinda cool I guess, so you wont know which color is going to be good, etc unless you can decipher who is who based on just builds alone. Overall, I think they messed up by not remastering Battle.net version and actually made the old version WORSE than the original. The game play itself was identical, but the scrolling was very slow and hard to manage.
I was able to play 1 game with u8 and 6 others, after we wrecked the noobs, the server went completely silent lol. I put the original GoW map file in the maps dir, it showed up, but IDK if it allows DL'ing of the map yet. It appears the server broke as I cant host games to know if the GoW worked or not.
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How long is this orchestra?
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Well here's what it has and doesnt have:
It's not a remaster of battle.net, it's a remaster of the original DOS version.
Has no:
Chat lobby
No GoW (odd since it's a remake of the original)
No ally chat
No vis/unvis of opps or allies
No TvB
No Host controls (host cant set the teams)
No speed/scroll controls in the game itself, you have to do that outside of a game
No OBS mode (But neither original DOS nor BNET had those either)
No saving of games
Has:
Great graphics revamps
Greater unit selection counts
Original sounds
Ally vision
Fastest speed from BNE (Odd since original DOS didnt have that)
So basically no one know's who's which color (similar to the original where there was no allied vision). Kinda cool I guess, so you wont know which color is going to be good, etc unless you can decipher who is who based on just builds alone. Overall, I think they messed up by not remastering Battle.net version and actually made the old version WORSE than the original. The game play itself was identical, but the scrolling was very slow and hard to manage.
I was able to play 1 game with u8 and 6 others, after we wrecked the noobs, the server went completely silent lol. I put the original GoW map file in the maps dir, it showed up, but IDK if it allows DL'ing of the map yet. It appears the server broke as I cant host games to know if the GoW worked or not.
Yeah Lance just about summed it up.
I also played a quick game with u8 , Zela and a few others but it was tough cause we are all spoiled by all the cool features the war2 Dev team has come up with minus the graphics.
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Lance pretty much nailed it.... I honestly don't like it. I see everyone continuing to play on ru. What a dissappointment.
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Looks great but the functionality is not there.. This will require patches.. I've sent my list to the devs let me know if you have any others:
1) No chat channels/lobby
2) Multiplayer maps aren't working/not available
--workaround by pasting maps in every folder seems to work
3) Settings are not saved when launching maps
4) No countdown to launch - 5 4 3 2 1 (even bnet had this)
5) Can't set observers in game or lobbies
6) No ally/vision panel in game
7) Mouse slowness/weirdness
8) Right clicks in fog don't display X
9) No map preview in multiplayer
10) Users without maps don't download maps automatically
11) UI menu sliders don't work well, takes multiple clicks to move
12) Game speeds are not shown by their names - Fastest, Even Faster, Faster etc
13)No ability to put passwords on multiplayer lobbbies (this has been a thing for 25 years)
14) Host can't set teams
15) Host can't set observers
16) No Lag popup in multiplayer - game just freezes and players drop
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Host cant ban users either :P
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Host cant ban users either :P
I know right can't even make a private game with the current interface
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We should all open support tickets with Blizzard and bug them until they fix it
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There is no Screenshot capabilities that I've found either. I've tried to take SS's, but no SS dir shows up. However, it does copy to clipboard, but thats useless.
I think there's a bug with people who enter and dont have the map (IE: Original GoW). It lets them enter, then immediately kicks them out. It causes the game slots to F up and become stuck.
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Anyone knows how to download classic gow to remastered? I saw some players playing it but couldn't figure out how to get it downloaded
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Cool and all guys but what about single player? The game is both MP and SP you know...did they remaster the CGI cutscenes? Did they change anything in maps?
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Just put he map in the maps dir.
Another annoying thing, no ladder or stats at all for players.
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Looks like wc3 got the best treatment what can we say its the best of the RTS,games
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Probably after a few days we are all gonna get bored of this war2remastered
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Anyone knows how to download classic gow to remastered? I saw some players playing it but couldn't figure out how to get it downloaded
You have to go into your maps folder from war 2 combat and copy the garden of war.pud into the new maps folder. Mine was c:\program files(x86)\Warcraft II Remastered\
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You have to go into your maps folder from war 2 combat and copy the garden of war.pud into the new maps folder. Mine was c:\program files(x86)\Warcraft II Remastered\
c:\program files(x86)\Warcraft II Remastered\x86\Maps
Using GoW is also keeping the noobs out of our games. They cant join it.
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Probably after a few days we are all gonna get bored of this war2remastered
Well you didn't get bored playing this game for so long why now?
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BAD NEWS.
There is a built in Maphack. You can go to "Options" Disable Fog of War and any place you scout, stays visible :(
Wasted 15 bux.
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BAD NEWS.
There is a built in Maphack. You can go to "Options" Disable Fog of War and any place you scout, stays visible :(
Wasted 15 bux.
Yeah I tested this with Lance....Looks like you can just go to settings an remove the fog of war....No way I will agree to play this for that reason alone...
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Maybe we can steal the remastered graphics in the future an integrate it with war2ru.
Will have to go that route unless Blizzard wakes up...
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New suggestion (in case I overlooked) is to add back minimap in the lobby pre game
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New suggestion (in case I overlooked) is to add back minimap in the lobby pre game
there is only 30? maps now to play, time to learn them! xd
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I used to play different maps. Just asking for the minimap shows in pregame as used to be
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BAD NEWS.
There is a built in Maphack. You can go to "Options" Disable Fog of War and any place you scout, stays visible :(
Wasted 15 bux.
Yeah I tested this with Lance....Looks like you can just go to settings an remove the fog of war....No way I will agree to play this for that reason alone...
Is ok, they fixed
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You have to go into your maps folder from war 2 combat and copy the garden of war.pud into the new maps folder. Mine was c:\program files(x86)\Warcraft II Remastered\
c:\program files(x86)\Warcraft II Remastered\x86\Maps
Using GoW is also keeping the noobs out of our games. They cant join it.
Agree. While they don’t fix the download new map thing is better to host only the maps available. Otherwise you will find playing only with the people you already play..
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Overall I would say we should keep playing, reporting the things that need to be changed and monitor if they are in fact fixing, like the FOG for example.
I see a people playing remaster that already moved back to ru. Let’s try to support this remaster while blizzard still have an eye on it
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had we had the time to guess how dissapointing the ''remaster'' would be i bet we would of assumed 'refunded'' quality.....
they added 5 bucks to the purchase for this to boot.
atleast we'll always have combat edition~!
even if it never gets finished.
id play but the q time holy hell.
a little buffing and waxing is all she needs. the motor is strong.
send to blizz, get paid.
already seen all the playing and mention from any meaningful audiance size dudes who could complain on our behalf.
bet microsoft activision blizzard never even gets any bad press from this nonsense.
part time janitor got handed the war2 project with 8 month deadline.
gl hf ima go troll and meme and shitpost in some other bullshit blizzard games.
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Looks like wc3 got the best treatment what can we say its the best of the RTS,games
sc2 is about 17 times better than war3.
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Looks like wc3 got the best treatment what can we say its the best of the RTS,games
sc2 is about 17 times better than war3.
Why 17 times exactly? Well man I heard some criticism about its balance.
Still if we compare wc3 to older warcraft titles its better in everyway
Can't say much about comparing with SC as I didn't play SC1 or 2
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Why 17 times exactly? Well man I heard some criticism about its balance.
Still if we compare wc3 to older warcraft titles its better in everyway
Can't say much about comparing with SC as I didn't play SC1 or 2
1. War3 was NEVER an "RTS". It was a Moba that hadnt realized it was a Moba yet. This is where DOTA came from (DOTA was originally a set of custom W3 maps) and then eventually League of Legends.
2. It's resource cap was completely absurd
3. It had no grid system (a requirement for anything with the word "strategy" in it, see chess for proof of this concept)
4. The graphics were horrendous compared to other games of it's time
5. None of the units gelled well with each other
6. There was no "strategy" to any of it. It was mostly a level farming game at the very beginning.
7. The game crashed way to much
8. Starcraft 1 existed already and was much better
9. Warcraft 2 existed already and was better than BOTH of them
10. See #9 for the remaining 7 other items.
In otherwords, war3 is a joke. It's not even comparable to War2/SC because it's not even an RTS.
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Why 17 times exactly? Well man I heard some criticism about its balance.
Still if we compare wc3 to older warcraft titles its better in everyway
Can't say much about comparing with SC as I didn't play SC1 or 2
1. War3 was NEVER an "RTS". It was a Moba that hadnt realized it was a Moba yet. This is where DOTA came from (DOTA was originally a set of custom W3 maps) and then eventually League of Legends.
2. It's resource cap was completely absurd
3. It had no grid system (a requirement for anything with the word "strategy" in it, see chess for proof of this concept)
4. The graphics were horrendous compared to other games of it's time
5. None of the units gelled well with each other
6. There was no "strategy" to any of it. It was mostly a level farming game at the very beginning.
7. The game crashed way to much
8. Starcraft 1 existed already and was much better
9. Warcraft 2 existed already and was better than BOTH of them
10. See #9 for the remaining 7 other items.
In otherwords, war3 is a joke. It's not even comparable to War2/SC because it's not even an RTS.
No strategy XD so you call spamming ogre mages "strategy" but god forbid having a hero with some RPG mechanics that allows for endless creative strategies yup yup definitely no bias here.
The upkeep system prevents certain strategies that could be abused and it punishes spam , warcraft in its core was designed as commanding few soldiers not to be spam like CNC games , in warcraft 3 throwing units at the enemy never works you have to use more than right clicking attack move.
It was never a MOBA its map editor and hero system allowed for the MOBA to be a thing wc3 itself isn't a MOBA its a RTS with RPG elements.
Warcraft 2 better than SC1 and wc3? On what? How? The game is sorely outdated it has poor and bland gameplay with no depth whatsoever the balance is crap it plays poorly compared to other RTS of the time such as age of empires 1 , now I dont know much about SC1 all I know is that it was where blizzard masterfully crafted a well balanced RTS with varying differences between factions thus creating the Esport scene (correct me if I'm wrong here but wasn't SC1 the first Esport?)
Wc3 crashing you played reforged buddy? Its rare to have warcraft 3 crashing especially legacy versions such as 1.26.
The graphics are bad? Man did you look at age of mythology? It also dropped same year as wc3 , CNC generals would drop in 2003 and both look much more outdated compared to wc3 whom graphics manage to have a charm despite their age im a bit biased here towards wc3 graphics still it holds up pretty well when compared to other 3d RTS at the time of its release.
You seem to be just hating on wc3 for no reason without wc3 warcraft wouldn't have an interesting story or iconic characters , wc2 was impressive for its time but it was outdone in every regard by other RTS games that came after it that's not bad as these games built upon the foundation laid by wc2 its an important piece of RTS history and that shouldn't be dismissed or ignored but does the game hold up in 2024? Nope not in story not in gameplay its only saving grace is its graphics and music.
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It was never a MOBA its map editor and hero system allowed for the MOBA to be a thing wc3 itself isn't a MOBA its a RTS with RPG elements
Earth to retard, the very definition of a MOBA is literally: An RPG with RTS elements.
Or you could say it the other way around but it means literally the same thing. In both cases, it means it's NOT an RTS, but is instead a MOBA. War3 was released before it's own genre was known. Blizzard set out to create something totally different from War2 and they succeeded in doing just that, they created an entirely new genre called Moba without even realizing it. Trying to compare it as an RTS on the level of SC or War2 is like trying to compare Tom Brady to your HS QB that was just pulled out of the crowd and has never played a snap their entire life and then saying they are better than the GOAT. It's a joke, War3 is not even in the same universe as SC nor War2.
Now, if you want to compare SC or SC2 to War2, then that is a debate that could actually hold water since all 3 of them actually are RTS games. However the grid system makes war2 shine as the better RTS IMO.
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It was never a MOBA its map editor and hero system allowed for the MOBA to be a thing wc3 itself isn't a MOBA its a RTS with RPG elements
Earth to retard, the very definition of a MOBA is literally: An RPG with RTS elements.
Or you could say it the other way around but it means literally the same thing. In both cases, it means it's NOT an RTS, but is instead a MOBA. War3 was released before it's own genre was known. Blizzard set out to create something totally different from War2 and they succeeded in doing just that, they created an entirely new genre called Moba without even realizing it. Trying to compare it as an RTS on the level of SC or War2 is like trying to compare Tom Brady to your HS QB that was just pulled out of the crowd and has never played a snap their entire life and then saying they are better than the GOAT. It's a joke, War3 is not even in the same universe as SC nor War2.
Now, if you want to compare SC or SC2 to War2, then that is a debate that could actually hold water since all 3 of them actually are RTS games. However the grid system makes war2 shine as the better RTS IMO.
Mate MOBA is you controlling one character and running around clapping minions to level up and destroy enemy towers and enemy crystal or whatever that big building you gotta protect thats MOBA
Warcraft 3 has you controlling more than 1 person as you command the units yourself you have an economy to take care off and such warcraft 3 fits into the RTS definition what the heck are you talking about?? Warcraft 3 can be compared to any other RTS its the same genre mate...I don't get this love for warcraft 2 sounds like a load of nostalgia to me than the game being actually good well its not a bad game but needs updating and will be fine.
Also earth to retard?? What exactly you saying here
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New patch 2,5gb ?
Is on track, not on production yet I guess:
https://blizztrack.com/view/w2r?type=versions
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Or is 2,5mb ?im bad with that lol
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It was never a MOBA its map editor and hero system allowed for the MOBA to be a thing wc3 itself isn't a MOBA its a RTS with RPG elements
Earth to retard, the very definition of a MOBA is literally: An RPG with RTS elements.
Or you could say it the other way around but it means literally the same thing. In both cases, it means it's NOT an RTS, but is instead a MOBA. War3 was released before it's own genre was known. Blizzard set out to create something totally different from War2 and they succeeded in doing just that, they created an entirely new genre called Moba without even realizing it. Trying to compare it as an RTS on the level of SC or War2 is like trying to compare Tom Brady to your HS QB that was just pulled out of the crowd and has never played a snap their entire life and then saying they are better than the GOAT. It's a joke, War3 is not even in the same universe as SC nor War2.
Now, if you want to compare SC or SC2 to War2, then that is a debate that could actually hold water since all 3 of them actually are RTS games. However the grid system makes war2 shine as the better RTS IMO.
Mate MOBA is you controlling one character and running around clapping minions to level up and destroy enemy towers and enemy crystal or whatever that big building you gotta protect thats MOBA
Warcraft 3 has you controlling more than 1 person as you command the units yourself you have an economy to take care off and such warcraft 3 fits into the RTS definition what the heck are you talking about?? Warcraft 3 can be compared to any other RTS its the same genre mate...I don't get this love for warcraft 2 sounds like a load of nostalgia to me than the game being actually good well its not a bad game but needs updating and will be fine.
Also earth to retard?? What exactly you saying here
I completely agree with Chayliss on this. Warcraft 3 does seem more of a MOBA than anything. You do literally basically control one unit (plus some minions) and if your unit dies multiple times, you lose. If your minions die multiple times you must make more. The whole concept of Warcraft 3 is really absurd and appeals to a whole different audience. It doesn’t really fit the barrel of a strategy game or just a pure MObBA, but def leans more towards moba than strategy.
StarCraft and StarCraft 2 arr both build to maximize unit production, keep the grid system in tact, think more than just which hero is op at the time. Plus the up keep system is a complete disaster.
I always loved the Warcraft genre more than StarCraft. However if i wanna play another RTS I’m most likely playing StarCraft 2 or Age of empires series.
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glad you think that way @Incos
A thing that didn't like much about Warcraft 3 is precisely about how much relevance they give to Heroes, instead of the actual armies.
It no longer matter the fact your army is the whole concept from the game, but instead are mainly the heroes.
League of legends and mobas just went even further to how important heroes became.
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It was never a MOBA its map editor and hero system allowed for the MOBA to be a thing wc3 itself isn't a MOBA its a RTS with RPG elements
Earth to retard, the very definition of a MOBA is literally: An RPG with RTS elements.
Or you could say it the other way around but it means literally the same thing. In both cases, it means it's NOT an RTS, but is instead a MOBA. War3 was released before it's own genre was known. Blizzard set out to create something totally different from War2 and they succeeded in doing just that, they created an entirely new genre called Moba without even realizing it. Trying to compare it as an RTS on the level of SC or War2 is like trying to compare Tom Brady to your HS QB that was just pulled out of the crowd and has never played a snap their entire life and then saying they are better than the GOAT. It's a joke, War3 is not even in the same universe as SC nor War2.
Now, if you want to compare SC or SC2 to War2, then that is a debate that could actually hold water since all 3 of them actually are RTS games. However the grid system makes war2 shine as the better RTS IMO.
Mate MOBA is you controlling one character and running around clapping minions to level up and destroy enemy towers and enemy crystal or whatever that big building you gotta protect thats MOBA
Warcraft 3 has you controlling more than 1 person as you command the units yourself you have an economy to take care off and such warcraft 3 fits into the RTS definition what the heck are you talking about?? Warcraft 3 can be compared to any other RTS its the same genre mate...I don't get this love for warcraft 2 sounds like a load of nostalgia to me than the game being actually good well its not a bad game but needs updating and will be fine.
Also earth to retard?? What exactly you saying here
I completely agree with Chayliss on this. Warcraft 3 does seem more of a MOBA than anything. You do literally basically control one unit (plus some minions) and if your unit dies multiple times, you lose. If your minions die multiple times you must make more. The whole concept of Warcraft 3 is really absurd and appeals to a whole different audience. It doesn’t really fit the barrel of a strategy game or just a pure MObBA, but def leans more towards moba than strategy.
StarCraft and StarCraft 2 arr both build to maximize unit production, keep the grid system in tact, think more than just which hero is op at the time. Plus the up keep system is a complete disaster.
I always loved the Warcraft genre more than StarCraft. However if i wanna play another RTS I’m most likely playing StarCraft 2 or Age of empires series.
I think you are simplifying it too much , warcraft 3 units have a lot of importance lol did you hear of huntress spam? Spell breaker strats? In ROC when it came out whole game was spam spellcasters LOL.
The way warcraft 3 was initially built as some sort of Role playing tactics or something like that then turned into RTS its just that units don't work so well alone , wc3 isn't a game where you throw units into enemy and win unlike warcraft 2 where the whole orc experience is defend until you get ogre magi and then go crazy.
Before warcraft 3 , warcraft was like the least polished product of blizzard when compared to diablo 1 or starcraft it is however clear that blizzard favors warcraft over diablo and starcraft , warcraft 3 was a step in the right direction for the franchise too bad we didn't get a 4th installment or we did? Its called world of warcraft.
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Yea is more a personal thing I would say.
For me, I got no fun playing RTS with heroes/special units , collecting Items etc.
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Well I guess the RTS game catalogue has many games to appeal to everyone you got the casual RTS like command and conquer games , the well developed and quite deep combat in men of war and similar games that remove the base building , you have RTS mixed with RPG like warcraft 3 , pick whatever you like I say you guys open your mind a bit when approaching new games as this discussion about wc3 to me indicates that you guys expect wc3 to be just wc2 but 3d also indicates some unreasonable nostalgic attachment for warcraft 2 which I don't have.
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Maybe I’m simplifying it yes and I do remember the huntress spam (I did the same thing lol). Spam hunters and use starfall use to be win until people learned you can dodge starfall.
We do like our warcraft 2, we just recognize Warcraft 3 is a different game. Building a hero collecting items, learning how to just micro all units because of up keep. It’s a micro game vs macro game. Many of the war2 players prefer macro, large battles.
We do recognize war2 is imbalanced. Many people have developed mods including Danny and edo to balance it but the commmunity does not want these. U8 says rebalance change had too many changes at once.
I would really enjoy a Warcraft that was more age of empires mode driven. Imagine 8 races with different techs. I guess if they went the hero route that would be fine if they don’t make them op or collecting random gear on the way (it might appeal to us wc2 / sc / sc2 players) and would probably sell more copies.
Antontama actually makes a great Warcraft 3 map that has no heroes. Problem is mechanics of Warcraft 3 (aka collision) don’t match.
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/warcraft-ii-reforged-v1-29-3-garden-of-war-altered-melee.321816/ (https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/warcraft-ii-reforged-v1-29-3-garden-of-war-altered-melee.321816/)
Anyways, we all like our own flavors.
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Maybe I’m simplifying it yes and I do remember the huntress spam (I did the same thing lol). Spam hunters and use starfall use to be win until people learned you can dodge starfall.
We do like our warcraft 2, we just recognize Warcraft 3 is a different game. Building a hero collecting items, learning how to just micro all units because of up keep. It’s a micro game vs macro game. Many of the war2 players prefer macro, large battles.
We do recognize war2 is imbalanced. Many people have developed mods including Danny and edo to balance it but the commmunity does not want these. U8 says rebalance change had too many changes at once.
I would really enjoy a Warcraft that was more age of empires mode driven. Imagine 8 races with different techs. I guess if they went the hero route that would be fine if they don’t make them op or collecting random gear on the way (it might appeal to us wc2 / sc / sc2 players) and would probably sell more copies.
Antonama actually makes a great Warcraft 3 map that has no heroes. Problem is mechanics of Warcraft 3 (aka collision) don’t match.
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/warcraft-ii-reforged-v1-29-3-garden-of-war-altered-melee.321816/ (https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/warcraft-ii-reforged-v1-29-3-garden-of-war-altered-melee.321816/)
Anyways, we all like our own flavors.
Im glad that we reached an understanding without throwing insults at each other you can't disagree with someone on the net nowadays without the conversation devolving into hurling insults.
If you like large battles which is what I like then I think my mod for warcraft 3 appeals to you , basically the whole idea of the mod is bigger armies with less focus on heroes what ended up happening is the mod lowers the skill ceiling for the game currently I have the upkeep system removed and you can build up to 300 units with no penalty on gold in its release version which I will work on before starting the wc2 balance mod the upkeep will be from 150 to 280 , the collision issue im very aware of and I spent 2 hours changing collision in wc3 reducing each model by 16 thus units with 48 collision now have 32 units with 16 collision got -6 only , the thing is the mod is MPQ not a custom map , so maybe you guys will be interested in a more casual warcraft 3?
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If you link your project in the mods section I wouldn’t mind trying it. I support the no upkeep. Is it the main 4 races in Warcraft 3?
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If you link your project in the mods section I wouldn’t mind trying it. I support the no upkeep. Is it the main 4 races in Warcraft 3?
Well I didn't release anything of it yet as it still needs some final touches like placing a cap on the amount of units a spell can hit because reduced collision unintentionally meant spells like frost nova can damage 24 units which is OP too OP my mod has some crazy balance changes but to damage 24 units ? Hell nah man thats insane another thing is I assigned buffed versions of spells for campaign heroes thus breaking the game triggers that automatically picked spells for story heroes I need to properly fix those to prevent players from picking certain abilities in some missions imagine you can pick unholy aura in undead mission 1? Instead of having death coil automatically picked for you? Gonna need some polishing there to launch it.
Yes its only the 4 races with some changes for balance like priestess of moon being stronger while having the same spell kit basically she is a high stat hero with a average spell kit this was done to make her the easiest hero to play with when starting Night elf it also makes sense as a priestess would be the most willing to help new comers or something like that.
Lore has been used as inspiration for some balance changes like the huntress becoming a tier 2 unit with a weaker elune grace as she takes 95% dmg from pierce attack set to be 100% dmg in release version.
So yeah no new races as combined with all the balance changes the changes for armor the collision change the all units costing 1 food the model swaps for some campaign heroes and units like skeleton orcs looking like warcraft 2 grunts with 2 shoulder pads instead of 1 all these are more than enough more races would make it way way too much add on it the fact that new races would make the game unstable , and it would take a good amount of coding to do so which I can't do.
The best coding I did was add new AI functions to make AI train forest trolls in human mission 2.
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What’s your discord name ?
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What’s your discord name ?
Same as my name here , you can send me a msg now but I currently can't access my discord nor the files for warcraft 3
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people still got problem to run w1/w2, my friend cant play it both game crash, cant use saves also, so since blizzard cant fix that issue, I dont belive there will be single update for multiplayer
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The multiplayer isnt really playable anyway. It's currently using fixed order. If there are 4 players, you'll get spots 4/5/6/8 randomly. But everyone knows that all the other spots are open and if they have a neighbor or not, without actually scouting. I've been playing it, but mainly just telling people about the fixed order. Some dont even know what fixed order is until explained lol, and then when you equate it to a maphack, they finally begin to understand why its so bad. I'll also tell them about ru around the same time. You'd be surprised how many people didnt know RU even existed.
It's rather disturbing that they would update the Fog issue quickly, but ignore this one (which is pretty much the same thing, a map hack). But even if they did, theres just SO much other stuff that should be updated that it doesnt even make sense to keep going with it. The thing should just be shut down asap IMO, other than the nice visuals, it's complete trash in its current state.
It's really to bad that the team didnt tap any of the users here for input before wasting time and money on a complete garbage release. All that talk about "Getting it right" in the stream (about how Reforged was so F'd up), and then proceeded to do the complete opposite in execution for each of the remasters lmfao. War2 wasnt the only one that got mangled, it was across the board. I have a suspicion that the base they used for the remaster was actually the beta that come out before the actual release of war2 because it has bugs in it that were in the beta, but not in the retail release (such as fixed order and fog). Makes me wonder if someone lost the source code or something because thats the only thing that would make sense, no one in their right mind would use a 30yr old Beta version for a "remaster"...... right? LMFAO. Also, the lumber bug didnt exist in beta, but it did exist in retail........... the lumber bug doesnt exist in the remaster.
I also dont think the speeds are quite correct either. Speed 7 and 8 should correspond to EF and F. But Speed 7 feels slightly slower than EF and F feels slightly faster than F. IDK why that is. The 8 speed didnt exist in the originals at the speed it is currently so maybe they messed that up somehow too. EF and F werent introduced until Bnet and EF actually corresponded to Speed 8 in the original which was the max speed.
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With all due respect man but I don't think blizzard would contact a group of people who made their version of the game for free , also this forum site is freaking niche and obscure at best so yeah no luck on this one.
Its pretty sad what they promised in the show and how they gonna fix reforged and do the RTS games justice well its been nothing but letdown after letdown the wc3 community is having some infighting about whether reforged graphics should be removed , custom maps got broken so much went wrong.
So how large is this team tasked with caring for the RTS branch of warcraft? They seem small...I have a feeling that a month from now no more updates for the wc1/2 remasters and they will just focus on slowly updating warcraft 3.
Note: just report bugs in the blizzard forums you won't get anything from bug reports here.
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i can say for 100% speeds are correct
speeds array are = 50 3C 35 2E 28 21 1A 14 0D
which is exactly same as in BNE
last 2 being 14 and 0D which is 20 (EF) and 13 (F) milliseconds of System.Sleep between each game tick
you can see it directly in memory
(https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7258.0;attach=4643)
What CAN BE incorrect with speeds array is how they use them
because it seems like they use QueryPerformanceCounter instead of old c++ Sleep as it was in BNE
(https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7258.0;attach=4645)
well you also cannot say its not correct, from programming point of view its working ok and doing what it need to do
its just NOT SAME as was in original (even if wait timings array is same)
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Whatever it is, it's certainly different :D Rip the new assets out, import them, and call it a day lol.