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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: MaStA{hR} on November 18, 2016, 05:00:55 PM
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Ok serious last good bye. In light of drama and all this shiznit i wanna say bye [again]. Thanks for the really good times, especially pre-.ru but yeah still good times.
Claw just 3-1'd me in AO. I recorded the 1st two games but my computer was too laggy to continue recording. I'll post them up in a bit. He won 20 bucks by following rules that really really suck. So I'm going to whine! This game really sucks sometimes. Many people are amoral and don't follow conventional wisdom gentleman rules.
Customs typically have unwritten rules while classic's and BNEs do not.
Examples:
LA Archers you don't side
Archer Friends you don't wood rape until you've killed all raxes
BGH you don't gold rape
Chop Farms you don't farm rape until everything else is pretty much dead.
Pretty basic unwritten rules. The only way for me to get Claw to play me in archers was to wipe away these rules, and naturally that is one of the reasons why I lost (Besides him being better than me). Some people agree with me; folks like [AA]Deadly will only play by gentleman rules. In light of all this bs spam community versus admins and diminished game counts, I'm seriously done this time! I'm part of the problem by leaving, but none of the real problems get fixed.
We have like 8 admin now and I see 1-2 kind of regularly. Real life is way more important, but admin should be chosen by activity, mental stability, coherence, contribution to the server/community and more. Some of the admin have paid their dues, but that was a long time ago. (Example Rit is awesome and really got big into social media for a few months... I don't see anything now. If he still posts and an active W2er like myself doesn't see the stuff then that's bad too. He plays League of Legends all day long and logs into Wc2 for a tournament in the last 6 months and is still an Admin). Nearly everyone dislikes Blid for fair and unfair reasons. Why should an admin be trolling on smurfs causing grief instead of being a figurehead we can fall in line behind? Foonat is a great person, but he is never on. Dugz goes on sprees of being on and off. ~ToRa~ is by far the most active and is inundated with school work/exams. Most of the admin fail in criteria necessary to be an admin.
And yes, I know this is the 1000th post by the 100th person about this, but my perfect memory of this perfect game is becoming tarnished by bullshit! There are games with millions of people on them that you can wait less than ~2 seconds to find a game that fits your needs. I'm off to find one of those. I hope I don't reinstall wc2 again.
Bye! <3 most of you. The rest of you should be checked into a mental institution for yours and society's benefit. :)
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Ok serious last good bye
See you next week!
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well i dont know much of the custom community, but the "gentle" rules u call it sound pretty stupid and boring.
If u cant wood rape etc... its just a click game without strategy - sounds boring, whoever clicks faster wins.
You should have learned some real maps, but too bad you never grew up to the big league!
Goodbye.
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well if its getting in the way of real life :o think im gonna quit also or find other drunks ;D
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See you in 1 to 3 months under whatever smurf name you choose. Will be pretty easy since war2 ru is 50% smurfs.
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i will relate to customs because i like customs
Archer Friends you don't wood rape until you've killed all raxes
wood rape is the most interesting topic here, because its not very easily blockable/avoidable. However, you can very easily use it to your advantage by flanking enemy with archers + peons (i am talking about 2h vs 1h situation here). Ive won lots of games on archers because someone tried to woodrape me. Just as i won many games in chop mad/jammin because someone tried to goldrape me.
Theres a nice example of my 2hall vs swifts 1hall where he rapes my wood all the time, but i still manage to win
BGH you don't gold rape
you can literally close your entire 420x241 spot with 1 hall... (or 1 hall + 2 ogre choke). not doing so while being behind sounds like a symptom of retardation to me
Chop Farms you don't farm rape until everything else is pretty much dead.
raping farms is a very shitty strategy and i only use it in 2 cases:
1) i am corner facing left-mid or right-mid and i know they backhall and like to turtle
2) i go for fast air and enemy is turtled or chopping mid
in both of these cases its beneficial and justifyable, but i cant think of any other scenario in which it would be wise to rape farms
on a side note, back before .ru there was another gentleman rule for chop - no goldrape. If you went ahead and DKed their gold line, they would ban you from games or get mad. Im not tooting my own horn here, because its a fact - i was one of the main reasons why the rule vanished :>>>
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Claw just 3-1'd me in AO. I recorded the 1st two games but my computer was too laggy to continue recording. I'll post them up in a bit.
are you interested in my replays from 4 games or not so much? (since youre retired forever). I can post them as a private youtube video for you, mouse and yamon to see if you like. Otherwise Im too lazy
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the rage is real. None of this makes any sense.
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lol there are no rules in war2 man.
the only scumbag move would be to BS your allies in melee
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lol there are no rules in war2 man.
the only scumbag move would be to BS your allies in melee
Since when are there no rules in customs games? I've been playing this game for 20 years. This is news to me.
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Just play with the free castles community, we all respect these unwritten gentlemen custom map rules.
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lol there are no rules in war2 man.
the only scumbag move would be to BS your allies in melee
Since when are there no rules in customs games? I've been playing this game for 20 years. This is news to me.
Just play with the free castles community, we all respect these unwritten gentlemen custom map rules.
What he said. Ill play you bo15 to get you started
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Just play with the free castles community, we all respect these unwritten gentlemen custom map rules.
Actually burnt, would you say peon rushing at start is breaking the rules in free castles?
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i didnt know there were unwritten rules in free castles. Could you tell me those?
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burnt is blocking his base with 2nd hall very fast, i dont think its possible. and his strat looks very efficient, so i cant think of any "dirty" start that would be seen as bad manner and beneficial at the same time. cuz we're not talking peon hiding here obviously
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burnt is blocking his base with 2nd hall very fast, i dont think its possible. and his strat looks very efficient, so i cant think of any "dirty" start that would be seen as bad manner and beneficial at the same time. cuz we're not talking peon hiding here obviously
It's was considered cheap by some players to make a hall or two and make lots of peons and then rush into the opponents base. Burnt walling quickly is probably more due to the threat of an invisible peon than to that thou.
It's also considered bad by some players to build against the walls of mid at start. Other than that nothing you can do that's really all that cheap. It is free castles after all.
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i dont think theres anything wrong with those strategies other than peon-rushers instantly leaving after they see a blocked entrance (which they probably do as it's an all-in strat)
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i dont think theres anything wrong with those strategies other than peon-rushers instantly leaving after they see a blocked entrance (which they probably do as it's an all-in strat)
These rules are suggested because there are confines and restraints to the unit/building coding and placements along with map making restrictions. We make up for it by creating gentleman rules that have been in place for years. How is it that 90% (arbitrary number, but a number nonetheless that indicates that the majority of people follow these rules) know not to attack the lumbermill for example, yet now in 2016 it's a viable strategy? Maybe the game evolves, but that is a deevolution in class in my opinion. There are limitations to customs games that we don't see in classics and BNEs. Most customs were created for singular purposes.
Free grunts - mass clicking and UC
Archers - mass archers and UC/Flanking
Free Castles - mass buildings/units and pwn
Slick strategies are just a no no. People play these specific types of customs to use their accumulated fast-clicking skills and pit them against each other; not to deal with cheap shot tricks. Classics/BNEers may not understand because they play with a sub 200 APM while Burnt probably plays at a 350 apm or me at 300 apm. It's obviously not fun to most of the people that play gow and they've abandoned these customs years ago. But that doesn't mean it isn't fun in general to other people.
@Yamon, how did none of this make sense? Maybe you didn't read it through?
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People play these specific types of customs to use their accumulated fast-clicking skills and pit them against each other; not to deal with cheap shot tricks
and i assume that because you click so fast and reach incredible 300-350 APM, you cant prevent your lumbermill from falling down by
1) guarding it
2) creating back-up
3) blocking it?
what's the 350 apm good for, then? lol. I mean i could probably put one of my chickens on the keyboard and it would also press the keyboard at 350 apm rate, but we shoud talk about putting the speed to good use
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Wow claw is making sense today. How does xurnt have 350 apm? Have you seen him talk?
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I think it's Asperger Syndrome
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Wow claw is making sense today. How does xurnt have 350 apm? Have you seen him talk?
You COULD do that, or you could do it in the battlefield archer versus archer. Unit control versus Unit control, using strategies like rush ranger, 2 hall, 1 hall etc. Maybe it's preferred playing type, but I play that map specifically to see who can reach certain points in the game faster and thus win. Claw is very good at that. I've never attacked the lumbermill intentionally. Maybe 3x in 500 games have I accidently clicked too high on the mini map and a couple archers got caught up clearing peons, but in my opinion and that of many others, it's a cheap shit strategy. I would have gone 2-2 against Claw (most likely) had he not wood raped and then probably lose 2-3 in the series. He got desperate for his $20 pizza money so he used that strategy. Now I did say he could do it knowing full well you'd have to have me at gunpoint for myself to do it. It was the only way he would play me.
Yamon uses an effective peon only rush that can suprise and destroy many archers players who haven't encountered that strategy. It's innovative and effective, but not what that game mode was meant for. He has also used a death knight rush on archers and dk'd gold flows before too. Once again innovative and destructive, but not what the map is intended for. Oh well, Liberals can't argue with Trump supporters and get through to them just as much as I can't develop an effective enough argument to change people like Claw's mind.
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I mean i could probably put one of my chickens on the keyboard and it would also press the keyboard at 350 apm rate
Maybe if your chicken pooped on the A key and held down making archers.
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I would have won against Claw (most likely) had he not wood raped
Ah, i see. So what you're saying is that your dual is able to win against a rusher if he leaves you alone without harassing? that's very impressive.
i am obviously on the high ground here, so i dont care much about whatever you say, so tl;dr:
1) you could make lumbermill have 1000000 hp, but map makers decided not to
2) you could have a separate space with choppers and lumbermill just like in c6, but map makers decided not to
3) funny how you criticize yamons 'peon rush' when the very first thing you've done that game was use your peons to fight off my archers. i think only liberal is able to spew so much bullshit without getting brain cancer from the cognitive dissonance
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The map was made back when there were plenty of pros and newbs alike to play the game of archer friends. If you have a max health lumberill sitting there, you'd have to wait for 20 minutes while killing it because sometimes new players don't know how to leave when they lost or good players Alt-Tab at horrible times.
You can't make a separate space for lumbermill unless you put a hall there with it too, which would change the pace of the game because everyone would start with a 2h. If you isolate your mill you would have less choppers, or start off with too many choppers and take out the resource management part of the game out.
Peon defending is very different than a peon rush. It is the only way to defend a 1h if you are a 2h. That argument doesn't make sense, you cannot compare apples to oranges.
Edit: And there is a space for the mill, it's why the tree line is bent at a 45 degree angle. It's supposed to be naturally protected so that people don't send archers down there. But wood rapers like yourself ( :( ) go through that tree line anyway.
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its worth adding that theres another imaginary rule that "true, oldschool" (=bad) archer players like to follow:
you can build barracks ONLY in front of your base. Ive been called a camping bitch for (accidentally) building a barracks below my great hall. Some players like fat~albert build their first 2-4 raxes in the back on the base always and it hasnt ever crossed my mind to whine about gentlemenhood. Possibly because I didnt lose ;)
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you cannot compare apples to oranges.
but i can compare peons attacking archers and being used as war weapon to peons attacking archers and being used as war weapon
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its worth adding that theres another imaginary rule that "true, oldschool" (=bad) archer players like to follow:
you can build barracks ONLY in front of your base. Ive been called a camping bitch for (accidentally) building a barracks below my great hall. Some players like fat~albert build their first 2-4 raxes in the back on the base always and it hasnt ever crossed my mind to whine about gentlemenhood. Possibly because I didnt lose ;)
I lost fair and square homie. I agreed to the rule change so that we could play a bad ass matchup. It just sucks that you reverted to actually using it. You are now acknowledging that there are gentleman rules then if you're not supposed to build backraxes?
Turtling/playing defensively is part of the game too. I don't see anything wrong with building back raxes. It would probably slow you down because everything would be more spread out and less space for your farms. That's also nowhere near the lumbermill and you open your base up because it's exposed.
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you cannot compare apples to oranges.
but i can compare peons attacking archers and being used as war weapon to peons attacking archers and being used as war weapon
The intent is different. One is used offensively and one is used defensively...
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Turtling/playing defensively is part of the game too. I don't see anything wrong with building back raxes.
well your favourite buddy AA-deadly ragequitted me game 3 in the archers tournament for this very reason. I think u guys need to settle your gentlemen rules out
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Turtling/playing defensively is part of the game too. I don't see anything wrong with building back raxes.
well your favourite buddy AA-deadly ragequitted me game 3 in the archers tournament for this very reason. I think u guys need to settle your gentlemen rules out
It's still unorthodox and not used frequently. I'd rather have the game played normally. But yeah there are some simple rules of thumb and some other rules on how the game should be played. Whatever, this argument is dead in the water. Neither one of us will change their minds. The games were way more fun when we attacked each other organically.
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they were better before you turned into a lil bitch :(
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you agreed to let claw wood rape, and when he did it, you got mad. it's that simple. don't agree to something and then get mad over it, even if it is in your view distasteful.
I am also aware that no wood rape is a very old tradition. So I understand where you're coming from.
But why quit over a lost series that was won in your opinion in an underhanded fashion? But remember that it's your opinion.
Many players disagree with rules in custom maps as well. And it was clear that claw was one of them.
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I am also aware that no wood rape is a very old tradition. So I understand where you're coming from.
i yet need to see an old school player that follows the tradition and is good at the same time. tells you a lot and debunks the "huge apm" myth. thought masta's better than that, but he raged and made remarks about my pizza money while:
1) having a shitty mouse in series 1 (excuses or cant afford 5$ new one?)
2) having a shitty computer in series 2, saying that warvid lags his comp (excuses or cant afford a 300$ machine?)
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i yet need to see an old school player that follows the tradition and is good at the same time.
I don't think there are any.
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i yet need to see an old school player that follows the tradition and is good at the same time.
I don't think there are any.
doesnt go well with this theory: "People play these specific types of customs to use their accumulated fast-clicking skills and pit them against each other;"
:/
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i yet need to see an old school player that follows the tradition and is good at the same time.
I don't think there are any.
doesnt go well with this theory: "People play these specific types of customs to use their accumulated fast-clicking skills and pit them against each other;"
:/
people play customs because they're not good enough for bne. This is common knowledge. And if they're not interested in the actual game, then they probably aren't good at all either way.
There are very few exceptions to this rule. And the only ones are players from the 90s who started in customs, like greenplastic.
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People play customs 'cause they're fun. In my case they were probably the first maps I tried back when I was a wee newb and I just sorta glommed on to them. On east there were so many people you could play your fill of any map you wanted all day every day, there was no impetus to branch out like there is now. I was never even aware of the bne players or their culture back then. But anyone's good enough for bne really, it just takes longer to pick it up. (Even I'm making progress!)