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« Reply #495 on: January 28, 2016, 01:23:33 PM »
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Finally, the other problem with this logic is it is mired in liberal identity politics - the idea that a black man being President is good in and of itself, regardless of policy. This is not the position of a serious Marxist.

well chomsky isn't a marxist.

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« Reply #496 on: January 28, 2016, 01:24:19 PM »
since he pushes the exact same neoliberal policy Clinton or another white President would push.


Yea we know that now , and retrospectively it seems naive to think as a democrat he would do anything differently. but it was unprecedented at the time really, a lot of people were saying he'd have no chance to win simply because of his skin colour. so i'm not totally surprised by chomsky saying he would vote for obama in 2008, than i would be for his vote for another clinton in 2016.

Except in 2008 Chomsky said to vote for Obama "with no illusions" and then supported him again in 2012, both times for the exact same reasons he says he would now support Clinton if she was the nominee.
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« Reply #497 on: January 28, 2016, 01:24:48 PM »
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Finally, the other problem with this logic is it is mired in liberal identity politics - the idea that a black man being President is good in and of itself, regardless of policy. This is not the position of a serious Marxist.

well chomsky isn't a marxist.

You made that argument not Chomsky lol. Chomsky never said "vote for Obama because he is a black man and that is good."
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« Reply #498 on: January 28, 2016, 01:26:48 PM »
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I don't agree with Chomsky's conclusion that one should vote for the Democrat as the lesser evil, but his argument makes logical sense even for an anarchist.

voting for the "lesser evil" makes sense for an anarchist? lol

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« Reply #499 on: January 28, 2016, 01:29:11 PM »
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Finally, the other problem with this logic is it is mired in liberal identity politics - the idea that a black man being President is good in and of itself, regardless of policy. This is not the position of a serious Marxist.

well chomsky isn't a marxist.

You made that argument not Chomsky lol. Chomsky never said "vote for Obama because he is a black man and that is good."

he did write about the historical precedent of a black family being in the white house. i'd imagine this influenced his support partly.

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« Reply #500 on: January 28, 2016, 01:37:25 PM »
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I don't agree with Chomsky's conclusion that one should vote for the Democrat as the lesser evil, but his argument makes logical sense even for an anarchist.

voting for the "lesser evil" makes sense for an anarchist? lol

If you accept the premise that the Democratic candidate will harm the working class less than the Republican candidate, which Chomsky obviously does, yes, it does. Being an anarchist doesn't mean you can't be pragmatic.

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Finally, the other problem with this logic is it is mired in liberal identity politics - the idea that a black man being President is good in and of itself, regardless of policy. This is not the position of a serious Marxist.

well chomsky isn't a marxist.

You made that argument not Chomsky lol. Chomsky never said "vote for Obama because he is a black man and that is good."

he did write about the historical precedent of a black family being in the white house. i'd imagine this influenced his support partly.


Well I am going by his stated reasons for voting for Obama, which were the exact same as his stated reasons for voting for Clinton.
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« Reply #502 on: February 02, 2016, 12:41:36 PM »
Democratic race against Bernie Sanders too close to call but Republican Ted Cruz humbles Donald Trump in first contest of US presidential campaign


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« Reply #503 on: February 02, 2016, 02:37:17 PM »
humiliates him by 3 points in the religious conservative state he invested thel ast 6 months and all his money into
    

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« Reply #504 on: February 02, 2016, 06:33:40 PM »
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Re: us 2016 elections thread (america ftw)
« Reply #507 on: February 03, 2016, 11:49:58 AM »
for real though identity politic liberals need to be destroyed.  the reactionary right already hates them but i feel like they are the enemy of the true left as well and thus coudl successfully be slaughtered.  i feel liek salon and slate have an army of writers pumping this shit out daily
    

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« Reply #508 on: February 03, 2016, 11:50:16 AM »

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Re: us 2016 elections thread (america ftw)
« Reply #509 on: February 03, 2016, 11:51:12 AM »
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