Let's save warcraft 2 - this is a long one

[turtleman]

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I want to rejuvenate the Warcraft 2 multiplayer community and right now is our last and only chance at doing it. We all need to go play on the remastered server and abandon war2 combat for that to happen. If you haven't purchased it yet, go do it. Even if blizzard never touches it again, we have the tools we need to make it work with a thriving community. You not being there is hurting the retention of players. It's also 100 times better in every way than war2 combat outside of the obvious multiplayer features - but actually outside of the game, the battle net group chat is a reasonable alternative and we can run our own ladder.

Right now the Warcraft 3 community is thriving and a lot of them are buying warcraft 2 just for the hell of it in the battle chest. When I bought the game 3 weeks ago it had 56 members. It now has 83 which means most of you aren't even in it.  https://launch.battle.net/invite/wPoxkXpinpB  - join it here and also add me WolfFerrell#1876 if you like.

I've been pushing this server on my channel but from now on I'm only going to promote remastered as it makes zero sense to push new players to this server. It's not a secret in the community anyway. This forum/website is basically war2's version of team liquid and we should actually be thinking about how we can better co-exist with remastered. I'm thinking the easiest approach would be to just create a new forum folder and call it server.war2.ru (old forums) put everything in there and just have the entire presentation of general discussion / Strategy / Youtube/Twitch as simply warcraft 2 community and we can link it from the battle net chat group with a degree of seperation from the server. It'd also save  a lot of clean up. I just went through like 500 posts on the replays forum here and 99% of it are broken youtube links. On that note, most of the replays I have are trash unless I want to cast old/ef 500 times in a row.


Which brings me to my youtube channel. I'm having fun learning all of these production skills and gradually improving. I am not happy with the quality of my videos but I'm getting a lot closer to what I think might be a good format with just focusing on a quick intro/outro and focus on the game as much as possible. As I'm learning, I'm posting whatever comes to mind or that I can find. Which like I was saying about the replays section, there are barely any good resources out there so again looking for help with that. I want NWTR/HSC/FOC/Maze/B2B/POS/GSEFW/Friends/1Wayin/Etc - Right now I'm sitting on 500 old/ef replays and a small handful of other maps but are not good quality games. Otherwise I'm going to just try to get some more remastered footage, it's just hard for me to hang around waiting for games when I'm already spending so much time on this channel especially because most games on remastered are big games and I dont want to interrupt. If anyone is on remastered and is willing to actively observe and record a game and upload it to youtube , I think that's the direction I am going now. You can cast it too if you want, and I can release it. Or you release it on your channel. Or I'll do the commentating and production and u can share it privately to my youtube. Or hit me up on battle net when you're lining up a solid competitive game.

And that leads to my commentating skills. I need brutally honest feedback as I have absolutely no perspective on hearing the sound of my own voice. I have zero ego about this, if you told me I sounded like forrest gump after losing a power slap competition, I'll take that. Whet I think is important is that the commentating has broad appeal and can discuss the game in broad strokes as well as great detail while being likeable and fun. I'm not sure I'm hitting all of those points. I'm looking at the ASL Artosis/Tasteless type of casting and looking for someone to step up to the plate and do a better job than me. I can help you or even if you want to try it out I can just put your video up on my channel and promote it and like i said earlier produce it. I can even give you an avatar that I've already made, make a new one or use one you make.

TLDR
START PLAYING ON REMASTERED FULL TIME
JOIN THE COMMUNITY
https://launch.battle.net/invite/wPoxkXpinpB
TRY COMMENTATING AND I WILL HELP YOU
CHANGE THESE FORUMS TO CONNECT THE 2 COMMUNITIES
LETS START A REMASTERED LADDER AND START HOSTING REGULAR TOURNAMENTS AND SHOW MATCHES
TALK SHIT ABOUT MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL SO I KNOW WHAT TO IMPROVE

[Shotgun]

Have you used remastered? Problem is Warcraft 2 remastered lags for a lot of players and also has no lobby. No lobby = no community

[dannyldd]

I have quite a couple of nice matches that are outside of the obvious and most regular common Gardens of War map being played around.

Even though they are not replays at all but all points of view. You just have to check both my war2 multiplayer - war2 tournament playlists and may find out something you like. In past weeks have had some fun up and down games in MINI BGH map, which is 32 x 32 size. Only few people play it but still fun for being the smallest war2 map size.
Had another well fought game against He-man game 2, you can also find it in war2 multiplayer playlist as He-man or He man.

This is a little contribution that can do, but people here almost entirely just play Gardens of war

[turtleman]

Have you used remastered? Problem is Warcraft 2 remastered lags for a lot of players and also has no lobby. No lobby = no community

I've experienced a bit of lag, usually in larger games. I'm guessing they're using the same netcode as bnet edition and is dealing with the same connectivity issues that we fixed in the combat edition with warlat so why don't we open source that/post the code into the official blizzard forums for warcraft 2 so they can see exactly how to incorporate it

And there are chat rooms now, the chat group i mentioned in my post (click the link to join it)

[turtleman]

I have quite a couple of nice matches that are outside of the obvious and most regular common Gardens of War map being played around.

Even though they are not replays at all but all points of view. You just have to check both my war2 multiplayer - war2 tournament playlists and may find out something you like. In past weeks have had some fun up and down games in MINI BGH map, which is 32 x 32 size. Only few people play it but still fun for being the smallest war2 map size.
Had another well fought game against He-man game 2, you can also find it in war2 multiplayer playlist as He-man or He man.

This is a little contribution that can do, but people here almost entirely just play Gardens of war

Thanks Danny I'll check it out - I really want to try and focus on casting games from all players perspectives in HD on remasterd but I made an exception for your modded game, which I thought was cool but I'll check them out anyway and might do another one

[Dudakurten]

Shotgun is right.

Still missing key updates on the Remaster, mainly these two points below.

Random spots still not working since last patch, thats the reason the Remaster tournament will have only 2 spots maps for example.
Also if you join in a game and you dont have the map, you are automatically out because the game dont allow you to download the map of the host.

Lobby thing would be great to have in game too. We got a side chat though BNET group/chat at moment.

[turtleman]

Shotgun is right.

Still missing key updates on the Remaster, mainly these two points below.

Random spots still not working since last patch, thats the reason the Remaster tournament will have only 2 spots maps for example.
Also if you join in a game and you dont have the map, you are automatically out because the game dont allow you to download the map of the host.

Lobby thing would be great to have in game too. We got a side chat though BNET group/chat at moment.

I'm going to try to band-aid the map thing by creating an app that'll install maps as needed

I've been actively shitting on them for the chat group thing on the official battle net forums i suggest all of you do as well

the random map position.. i mean, i gotta expect that'll be fixed soon. I doubt even blizzard would be incompetent enough to leave that broken

[Szwagier]

you cant host random, not official map otherwise you are closing game only for your friends who got map

you will not grow up with random maps, you need catch new people one by one hosting "ladder maps"

new person will need your app, so still will not work

blizzard throws logs under legs

[turtleman]

you cant host random, not official map otherwise you are closing game only for your friends who got map

you will not grow up with random maps, you need catch new people one by one hosting "ladder maps"

new person will need your app, so still will not work

blizzard throws logs under legs

yeah, you're right about that - although I think it'd solve another problem for existing players.. might put it on the back burner for now. In the meantime https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/blizzard/c/warcraft-ii/31

Go to that site to actively shit on blizzard and demand features. The squeaky wheel gets the oil