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[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

im sorry man but i watched like 10 different pball videos hoping i would see something different like "ok. that takes some skill"  .. but basically it's just you and sometimes someone else killing people with horrible unit control and just running around like a chicken with their head cut off.

there is absolutely no reason a decent gow player (spb skill or up) couldn't learn this in a few hours and be just as good as anyone else in a day or two.

im literally not trying to be a dick here.. this pball stuff is just a horrible sub culture of war2 that requires very little skill to be good at... and based on how much you're winning i am convinced the vast majority of them are literally clueless about the mechanics of war2 and are more or less just bum rushing desperately hoping they get some kills, but don't really expect to learn and have no interest in studying the game to even get better at a silly game like this

i know im coming off as a dick, literally not trying to ... but even remotely suggesting maps like this take skill even remotely close to classic EF maps (gow especially) is so far from reality that it shows a huge lack of understanding about the game in it's entirety on your own part.

A funny thing from that video I posted is how the watchers were like "holy shit!" and "Whoaaa pball showdown!" and stuff and then the same watchers later in the video reveal they don't even know what the range of any of the units are, which seems like the most basic fundamental to know if you're gonna get into that map.

Now, watching the video, I didn't really see anything that looked that amazing, no insane micro or apm or anything like that, but I wouldn't be so quick to say anyone, including me or spb or whoever, could roll through Smeagol.  I think we could, with a bit of practice, almost immediately become competent pball players because, uh, yeah, but I wouldn't assume it's so easy to beat the very best guy.

Although to be fair, as far as "chicken with its head cut off," the opening of that video was pretty bad... Smeagol ran like 8 footmen down in what should have been suicide and Adam didn't even pull back his mage, allowing it to die.  Yikes

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Lol exactly Blid, TK and Lance act like I'm just some guy who came along and was like I'm the best PBaller. No I've been challenged and beaten many players in the past and won lots of tournaments. Crasher was commenting on the knight to mage range mage is 6 knight 5 which isn't not the most commonly known unit ranges because mages mostly fireball not lightning. He is a pretty good PBaller he just didn't realize a mage could lightning a knight. There are PBallers who have taken me out of tournaments and who I consider my peers, but if you guys think one of you will beat me with ease after practicing a few hours or weeks good luck.

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

I do think someone like Viruz could dominate you after a week of practice (micro god!).  I won't venture to say I could.

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Viruz could very well become one of the best PBallers maybe if he was interested enough to want to learn it and play it. The time he joined my game and I played him was his first time I think it was a 2v2 and I rolled through him. I'm sure he or anyone could be at the top level of PBall playing(especially good BNE players or people with good micro like Viruz) and could beat me sometimes, I usually pull ahead in percents vs the top PBallers though.

[tk[as]]

id be willing to bet the only top tier bne players you ever beat in pball were simply players who were bored, didnt have any other games to play, so they hopped on a game that was available. i've been known to do exactly that quite a bit. I'll hop in on a game of archers, kotr, bhg, mini bhg, pball, chop or whatever customs are available at the time. the thing is, none of them probably ever play the maps for extended amounts of time because they're all very mindless in comparison with BNE or classic maps (with the exception of chop at least.. it takes some actual skill to be a top chop player imo).

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

TD Medivh is a PBaller he is very good made the finals of the only tournament he was in. He played PBall before he got into GOW as much on Legolas and became a friend. Swift at one time PBalled with the mother of my kid and I played with and beat him different times. Angel~Fire is a pretty good GOW player he plays PBall regularly between and is a friend. Van has been in 3 tournaments but isn't very good at PBall. Player plays PBall sometimes between GOW's and I've beaten him in every 1v1 I've played him in and a few 1v2s. Also there were BNE players that used to play PBall back in the day that were pretty good at it like Yamon who I beat pretty bad last time we played a few years back, but he doesn't play Pball anymore. There are many BNE players over the years that were PBallers too or played it between games.

[tk[as]]

i cannot believe you're saying this blid. this is literally one of the most mindless customs there is.

im convinced any decent gow ef player (spb or above) could play this map for a day (against other "decent" pball players). and go pretty much 50/50 with smeagol or anyone else the next day regardless of how many games were played

when i was playing DK2 that day i was playing people who were supposed to be the "best" at dk2. they were beating me at first but literally within a dozen or so games there was wasnt much of a difference between me and them at all.

I learned a map i never played before, that others believed they perfected in like 12 games

idgaf who you are.. if you've never played gow/ef (shit.. even if you have played a few here and there) it's going to take you at least a couple thousand games to even be competition for the "good" people who play it regularly.

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

DK and 1 Alleria are as mindless as you can get when it comes to PBall. Maps like 45 Man, 80 Man, PBall X are different units besides just 1 ranged unit. Mages. knights, peons and other units make the gameplay MUCH different than a 1 ranged unit PBall. Also maps like PBall X have a barracks for unit creation. You literally have absolutely no idea what you are talking about keep making this claim that now you or anyone could play PBall for an amount of time most currently you claim a day and beat me 50/50. It's utter nonsense but you can keep saying it as long as nobody steps up lol.

[tk[as]]

none of the people you mentioned (as far as i know) play pball regularly or take it seriously .. im convinced all of them (with the exception of van because van isn't even good at gow) would be just as good as you if they played it with any sort of real regularity and had a real interest in it.. instead of "ok gow is boring so i'll play customs for a couple hours" or "ok there's no gow games so i'll play customs till one comes up"

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Let me refer you to this "DK and 1 Alleria are as mindless as you can get when it comes to PBall. Maps like 45 Man, 80 Man, PBall X are different units besides just 1 ranged unit. Mages. knights, peons and other units make the gameplay MUCH different than a 1 ranged unit PBall. Also maps like PBall X have a barracks for unit creation. You literally have absolutely no idea what you are talking about keep making this claim that now you or anyone could play PBall for an amount of time most currently you claim a day and beat me 50/50. It's utter nonsense but you can keep saying it as long as nobody steps up lol."

Also Medivh does play PBall regularly and definitely so does Angel~Fire. You really think no one over the years has challenged me and beat me easily or just crushed me a series?(No they haven't and 50-50 is a big stretch) Like somehow now because you mention that good BNE players would beat me they will? Prove it practice your day or log on now. Or provide your champion. Lmao

[tk[as]]

dude.. what you're claiming is just insane. im sorry, but any skilled player who reads any of this and watches the videos of the games we're talking about is going to come to the exact same conclusion.

you like pball. that's fine... but it does not require anywhere near the skill or understanding of the game to be good at as it does to be good at the classic maps.. or even many other customs i've seen.

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

I'm not "claiming" anything. I have been in 21 PBall tournaments in the last year. They were all at least 8 people so 3+ rounds. Of those tournaments I was in the finals 15 times and won 14 of them, a record of 14-7 with only 1 finals loss. I'm not "claiming" to be good at PBall, ask other PBallers who they consider the best PBaller or if I am good. I am not making up records or series I have beat top PBallers in, and there is strategy and skill to PBall whether you want to repeat your blinded mantra for the next day in this debate or not.

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

id be willing to bet the only top tier bne players you ever beat in pball were simply players who were bored, didnt have any other games to play, so they hopped on a game that was available. i've been known to do exactly that quite a bit. I'll hop in on a game of archers, kotr, bhg, mini bhg, pball, chop or whatever customs are available at the time. the thing is, none of them probably ever play the maps for extended amounts of time because they're all very mindless in comparison with BNE or classic maps (with the exception of chop at least.. it takes some actual skill to be a top chop player imo).

why do you assume that every decent BNE player has the same apm/micro control/finger speed/reaction time as the very best pball player?

[tk[as]]

ive played 45 man and 80 man. it's p ball man. i've played tons of customs that i dont even care to know the name of. you don't even understand what you're saying. you don't even realize how inaccurate your claim is

i wish you would play gow/ef for like 6 months, beat someone like spb, slick, adam, gleip, angel fire, or krauser (all active decent gow players from what i see) in a bo5 and then tell me that pball takes anywhere near the skill as a classic/ef map.

it wont happen. i'd literally bet a couple grand on it

[xXxSmeagolxXx]

Now you're turning your argument to GOW takes more skill than PBall. A second ago it was that PBall takes no skill and that a player who plays GOW could easily defeat the best PBaller. GOW takes its own skill which is definitely a more complex skill because you control many different things at once buildings, creating units, so on. GOW and PBall are apples and oranges though, just because one game takes more complex skill doesn't mean a different game doesn't also take a skill. It also doesn't mean that GOW players will be good at PBall the same way PBall players won't be good at GOW without altering how they play for both. Honestly your argument is getting weaker, I'm just going to call your claims of beating me 50-50 a dodge at this point and I'll be waiting for anyone else who wants a shot.