GOW Fix Feedback Wanted

[Cel]

Moving the mine one tile right and pre-chopping takes care of that problem too :-)

Have tried this in multiple games but only times 4 was taken 5 was either ally or free so I will still be testing that next weekend

Though what I like about moving the mine one tile right as 4 is yes you have more space on the left of the mine but that extra space is an easy tower spot that you have easier access to than your opponent.
Having a tower here will not only kinda help protect your from backstabbing but also help you get a foot on the area between the two spots which is the real mid-game imbalance between these two positions.
 

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

Leave the map the same but move 8's starting spot to s9.

[woofy]

Leave the map the same but move 8's starting spot to s9.

Nope. If there was no delay in the s9 build, then 9 would never stand a chance in 3s/4s if s9/11 hot.

Gow is perfect, don't touch imo

[(PLS DELETE MY ACC)]

Gow is perfect, don't touch imo

IF U WIN, ITS SKILL
IF U LOSE, ITS THE SHITTY SPOTS (U'D WIN OTHERWISE)

PLAYING OLD EF IS A WIN-WIN SITUATION

[Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)]

Nope. If there was no delay in the s9 build, then 9 would never stand a chance in 3s/4s if s9/11 hot.

that is fine

meanwhile now s9 can stand up a little better against 11

[woofy]

Nope. If there was no delay in the s9 build, then 9 would never stand a chance in 3s/4s if s9/11 hot.

that is fine

meanwhile now s9 can stand up a little better against 11

11's advantage over s9 is balanced out with the tower bug.

[Harrywangs]

Claw is 100% right.

Let's say you hypothetically have people of equal skill level and one at 6/8 and another at 11/12/2/5 and I'll even say 4. You could argue 9 but s9/9 is evenish. Play 100 games, how many does 6/8 win?

20? Maybe 30 max? The answer should be NEAR 50%. Naturally, not all spots are equal, nor should they be, but replace any other spots from the 6/8 person and your stats will change noticeably. That is my point.

I'm not trying to make everything equal, I would just like everyone to have a chance is all. Tourneys, series, team games; every time, someone goes, "well I had 6/8 4x" yet nobody wants to change anything. I just don't understand it.

I never played GOWEF before RU and before GOWF died on RU. There was a reason for it. It is a horse shit map. Now that I've played it for years, guess what, it is still a horse shit map.

[woofy]

gow is a horseshit map? sorry, harry, but we can't be friends any more.

[Harrywangs]

Just because there are plenty of places to hide and do goofy shit, doesn't mean it's a good map.

[Shotgun]

Gow is fine, just disable u8's 6/8 hack please

[Szwagier]

Gow is fine, just disable u8's 6/8 hack please

PLZ NO 

[Cel]

GOW is not a horse shit map at all .

What makes gow so nice of a map is the variety of situations the players can be put in.

You can play over 10 games of GOW in a row and never have the same situations occuring twice.
Sometime you will have a spot that lets you dual, sometime you have a spot that is better for a rush sometimes it is just better to power. Add to that the possible positions of your opponent and you have a lot of very different games on your hands. This is something GOW has that not a lot of other map really have.

Of course it means there will be some imbalances and yes the classic version really does have quite big imbalances.
You can try and reduce them but overall you cant really make it 100% balanced and still keep the diversity a good compromise has to be found sort of.   

[~ToRa~]

Claw is 100% right.

Let's say you hypothetically have people of equal skill level and one at 6/8 and another at 11/12/2/5 and I'll even say 4. You could argue 9 but s9/9 is evenish. Play 100 games, how many does 6/8 win?

20? Maybe 30 max? The answer should be NEAR 50%. Naturally, not all spots are equal, nor should they be, but replace any other spots from the 6/8 person and your stats will change noticeably. That is my point.

I'm not trying to make everything equal, I would just like everyone to have a chance is all. Tourneys, series, team games; every time, someone goes, "well I had 6/8 4x" yet nobody wants to change anything. I just don't understand it.

I never played GOWEF before RU and before GOWF died on RU. There was a reason for it. It is a horse shit map. Now that I've played it for years, guess what, it is still a horse shit map.

Yeah that series we had, I think I could have had a better chance to win it if I didn’t spawn 8 4 times

[tk[as]]

Gow is great for "let's have a good time and play some war2" ... the best imo.

Its horrible for "let's have a bo7 series to see who the better player/team is" (if someone is disproportionately spot fucked)