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Wasteland => Flame Wars & Offtopic => Topic started by: Mistral on December 05, 2024, 06:52:39 AM
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so you guys can now test new balance from blizzard https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?topic=7297.0
but we have received suggestions of istead just making new game mode for it
just follow blizzard and make it in game by default (in normal games)
so what you think about it?
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What would yout not do for u8 :rofl:
But seriously, why would you do that, keep that thing as an option game mode, just like rebalance, and instead to focus on what blizzard do, make better with rebalance.
If its the same as blizzard why i would not go play at blizzard instead? The only reason why i would play here its because it's better than blizzard.
Do we really want a mage that cant blizz anymore? What we want is a mage that obliterate 6 ogers in almost one shot with a fire ball.
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I think is a good idea to follow blizzard changes . But needs to be implemented slowly like replacing that rebalance mode for this one first leaving like an option.
We don’t know which changes they are still up to do right know. Better to wait before fully change here. My opinion.
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I think is a good idea to follow blizzard changes . But needs to be implemented slowly like replacing that rebalance mode for this one first leaving like an option.
We don’t know which changes they are still up to do right know. Better to wait before fully change here. My opinion.
No its not a good idea, because alot of things dont make sens, like the nerf on blizzard mage or the cost of dragons. I dont say everything is bad, but if we add everything that dont make sens like these 2 exemple its gonna be a mess.
If we do things like this we gonna end up with a broken game pretty quick.
Instead we should just focus on rebalance like we have always planned, but we never did, they give us rebalance and never work on it anymore, its gonna be almost 5 years rebalance never had an update, but the moment blizzard do a patch, they find skills to copy it in 1 night for u8... Like are you kidding me...
If peoples dont play rebalance its because it's bad from the start, no one want to repair catapult, you want peoples to play rebalance, then give it some love, work harder on it and talk with the community to know exactly what is the best. And like i said, BUFF THE FIRE BALL ON MAGE!!!
HASHTAG:BUFFMAGEFIREBALL
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Make Remaster balance another option separate, do not replace community balance(with community input). IMO.
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so ed, purists & conservatives will complain over and over again because game is not 100% as they have played for several years, so allow official-rebalance as option like rebalanced mode.
But this is tricky. As far as i know Triggers mode works with use map settings only, so allow official-rebalance to be used as melee or top vs bottom game-modes as well
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no its not danny lol
if set by default then it will work as normal
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God forbid we fix the broken balanced of this game by making it more broken?? What sort of BS is this? Oh yeah whats more fun a game where all you do is spam overweight yellow alien men who pummel each other to death or experiment with other stuff? Look man or guys this isn't a good time to be conservative about the game its for the good of the game , if you can abuse the same strategy every damn time is this "great game design"? Nope try any other RTS with well adjusted balance like aoe2 and you will find the difference to be staggering.
Its the same story in red alert 2 you can get away with spamming prism tanks as allies and soviets can hardly answer it cuz they are so slow and their long range unit is crap.
Think about what's good for the game , by allowing rangers and trolls to be more viable dragons and gryphs being cheaper the risk factor feels reduced of course personally I think flyers costing 2000 gold would make them very appealing.
Not every change has to be met with negativity , that's a nice way to kill the game by fixing no issue at all , I say we open our mind to change its very important for the GOOD OF THE GAME its all that matters whatever benefits the game is GOOD even if some parts of the community don't like it.
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Not doing it is like you’re playing an old mod. The company itself created the balance patch.
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Basically the "official" experience for wc2 now is through this new changes to gameplay that is if you install remaster , btw can the remaster runs on anything below 4 GB ram? I don't think the graphics need much performance.
Has anyone tested it? I don't want to blow up the lap so isreal gets an excuse to bomb the heck out of north jordan cuz they thought im manufacturing bombs.
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We have had about 7-8 games today where multiple players are dropping for no reason or atleast one player, ruining games. This shit should just be a option at the bottom line two headed ogre, but whatever you did fucked up server cause people keep discing.
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Rename it "Vote to ruin the game thats kept a fan base for nearly 30 years".
Whoever voted yes should be banned from forum and server.
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Not doing it is like you’re playing an old mod. The company itself created the balance patch.
And yet you voted NO
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Basically the "official" experience for wc2 now is through this new changes to gameplay that is if you install remaster , btw can the remaster runs on anything below 4 GB ram? I don't think the graphics need much performance.
Has anyone tested it? I don't want to blow up the lap so isreal gets an excuse to bomb the heck out of north jordan cuz they thought im manufacturing bombs.
I have an old laptop from 2019 and in 8 players spot map my computer makes the game lags where I need to switch to the old graphs middle of game , happens sometimes.
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Rename it "Vote to ruin the game thats kept a fan base for nearly 30 years".
Totally agree.
This so -called official sheet should not be default in any case.
It clearly seems to me that NOT everyone from the voters understood the essence of the issue.
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DEFAULT?!?!?!?! NO WAY
I will explain adequate reasons why you should not do this.
The only regular players who play on this server every day are the players on this server. They are the ones who give life to Warcraft all the time, since it lost its popularity. They played here by the rules that the game provides from the very beginning, and those bugs and errors in the game that we see to this day, this is the thing that gives variety better than in other others. If you make this by default, I will not play fucking Warcraft anymore.
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If you compare it with StarCraft or StarCraft 2, it's the same RTS game, only more advanced. Yes, there are more strategies than as some players say "Only Bloodlust". But you will understand how many subtleties there are in the game if you understand it. StarCraft 2 has more units, but it is absolutely the same in complexity as Warcraft 2. But I don't like StarCraft 2. Now this is a definition, as a fact, I can justify it as much as possible. If you make changes to the game, new strategies will appear, in which you will lose players of the pro level, master level, grand master level, legendary level, old players. These are all those who play at night in my time, during the day, Equinox, and the rest of the daytime players. They are used to playing by the rules that they play. Now imagine that you break their game, and they will no longer come here, because the game is shit. What Blizzard did is good, but not for us yet. Let them at least bring their game to our level, and then we will try to follow their example. You can't delete online on the only living platform in the world. Those players who come to play on Blizzard, they do it 3 times a week. And they can't even normally communicate with each other, because there are problems with communication. We have a top-level server and there is no need to adapt to the "meta" of the "original" developers, because the real legends who really made this game have not worked at BLIZARD for a long time.
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I wouldn't even put it as an option so that people know what Warcraft really is
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Whoever voted yes should be banned from forum and server.
And also shoot and throw the body into the lava.
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I forgot to mention the USA server, they, like us, played almost every day. At least more often than the players on Blizzard do.
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Personally, I don't see this as a replacement of a specific balance in the game with another balance. I see it as an opportunity, the so-called "open door of opportunity". What was missed for years, ignored by the Warcraft II community (due to habit, laziness, it doesn't matter) is the lack of balance between the races. Everyone knows this.
Many referred to the "canon" from the creators, arguing why there is no need to change the balance, and if they do change it, then they must agree with Blizzard and ask people's opinions. Well, Blizzard has already changed the balance themselves (without even asking people, but it's not that important to us, right?). And some people did not just accept these changes, but agreed that changes to the game balance are NECESSARY. This is really a problem. When some spells = garbage, when some units = garbage, when some upgrades = garbage with an inadequately high price.
That is why, personally, I will support the changes. Because this is a new step in the development of Warcraft 2. Turn off your emotions, and take a sober look: Blizzard can do whatever they want in their remaster. But their step allows us here on war2online to create our own NORMAL balance of the game. WITHOUT destroying the usual image of the game (for example, for the same orcs).
That is why, the balancing of the game must be approached with all possible caution. To begin with, as it was done in war2rebalance, I would suggest NOT CHANGING the orc race AT ALL. That is, not subjecting them to any changes at all. Because really now by 2k24 everyone has long been accustomed to playing for them in a very specific style.
I would suggest revising some points in the balancing of the human race.
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And then, with slow steps, sooner or later we will come to an almost ideal balance.
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As for this pack from Blizzard specifically... Personally, I was pleased with the reduction in the cost of upgrading archers. Because, I think everyone will agree, these upgrades are not worth the effort spent on them.
I liked the slightly stronger archers.
As for the rest, regarding bloodlust, mage casts - this is basically garbage. Understating the cost of birds is also bad. Etc.
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What do I want to say? I would suggest convening an international council of active developers, admins and players in Warcraft 2 to discuss a variety of issues in the life of our game community. Over the past few years, and especially this month, fate has prepared many trials and events for us. It would be good to discuss them all and come to some kind of decision together. Thank you.
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Perhaps you have more ideas in your head than I do, Oragorn, and I would rather agree with your ideas than with chaos
It is possible to add it as an option, but to state it so sharply as a fact, based only on a vote, where not real players participate, but forum participants. Where almost all those who play in the evenings do not go, would be a bad idea, to put it mildly.
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There is definitely no need to set it as default.
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, Equinox, and the rest of the daytime players. They are used to playing by the rules that they play. Now imagine that you break their game, and they will no longer come here, because the game is shit.
Well we must be carefull here, i dont say we cant have evolution in the game, actually im clearly for it. But it must be done right, what blizzard did is good and bad at the same time, im okay to add the good part of it, but im not with adding the bad. What we want is making the game better, if we add everything they do at every patch we will accumulate the bad things.
Clearly, i think blizzard are just making warcraft II for casual players, i think they know what they do, but i also think they do it for the casual, so when new player who have play the games 30 years ago and say human are bad because bloodlust is too op, its because they dont know the game at all.
Human are not bad, true blood lust is powerfull compare to knights.
But they are 2 different race, Human are stronger in early game, orc are stronger in late game, and they basicly equal in mid game.
Now, they nerf blood lust to please the casual, but they also buff the knights, wich bring us to a new probleme, human will just be the new orc, clearly human will roll on orc the same way orc as roll on human the last 30 years, the only probleme, is, its gonna be even worst.
Because now, human will lead early, mid and late game.
I think they had to nerf blood lust or buff the knights, but clearly not both at same time.
Anyway, i have no probleme at all with all the change they made, because actually, i think each season should be different, this is how we bring the game more interessting, my only probleme is the fact that if we copy what blizzard do, im just gonna go play on blizzard.
The purpose of this server is to make the game as the best we can, we dont make the game better than blizzard if we copy exactly what they do.
Amins of this server release the re-balance mode 5 years ago, since then, nothing did happen with it, nothing as change, no update at all, and now in 24 hours we have create a new mode just like that...
Where was the update for the last 5 years before blizzard release a patch? We could have made alot of change into this game to make it better, but no one in the admins have take cares of it, instead we have made campaings that no one really cares, and now sudenly everyone wake up?? I feel like we have been trolls for years. And now because administration lack of confidence they wanna show us how good they are at making what blizzard did in only one night.. But this server will not get better by doing the same things as blizzard, it will get better at making smart decisions and truly make the game better.
Im not against blizzard mode, i actually think its a good idea, but im clearly against copying that mode as default in the server, i think if peoples were a bit smarter, they will realize the strenght of this server is actually to have different mode.
Classic mode, re-balance mode, trigger mode, blizzard mode.
You can play whatever you want, but now your telling me we will put blizzard mode as default?? No way... its the worst thing to do..
When they have release the remasterd i was happy, but i came back here the first day because there was bad thing in the remastered, if you want to give me remaster here, then i just go back to blizzard... If i need to play the blizzard version, then im just gonna play it on blizzard period.
Im not against adding thing in the default version of the server, but i think we should add things in the rebalance mode first, then testing these new things in the re-balance mode, just like a ptr, and if we love something as a community, then after we can add these things in the official default classic game.
So we can play these things as the ladder version.
But adding things that blizzard change every patch, or even adding things that we change ourself without testing it in the rebalance mode first, should not even take seriously in consideration.
Classic should be sett as the official mode for ladder and tournament.
Blizzard should be set as an alternative mode for player who want it.
Re-Balance should be sett as a PTR mode where we test what US as a community want to change, or if we like something from blizzard mode, we also can include it to the re-balance mode..
If we like something in the re-balance mode as a community, then we can add it to the classic default version for ladder tournament etc.
OR! We could just create a PTR mode Period, replacing it for the re-balance mode, than letting the classic original as the original game, and using the re-balance mode as defaut.
So we would have Classic mode as alternative, Blizzard mode as alternative, PTR mode where we test everything, RE-Balance mode sett as default for ladder, and trigger mode.
We could just start by copying the classic game mode into the re-balance mode from stratch, we change nothing, and we test everything in the ptr, and if someone really like a new change, we add it into the re-balance mode sett as default.
Anyway no matter what happen, im telling you, im gonna play where its the better, but if you giving me what blizzard does as default, im just gonna go play on blizzard, if you want me to play here, it will have to be better than blizzard, not worst or equal. And im pretty sure everyone thinks the same, they will just not tell it.
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Amins of this server release the re-balance mode 5 years ago, since then, nothing did happen with it, nothing as change, no update at all, and now in 24 hours we have create a new mode just like that...
Where was the update for the last 5 years before blizzard release a patch? We could have made alot of change into this game to make it better, but no one in the admins have take cares of it, instead we have made campaings that no one really cares, and now sudenly everyone wake up?? I feel like we have been trolls for years. And now because administration lack of confidence they wanna show us how good they are at making what blizzard did in only one night.. But this server will not get better by doing the same things as blizzard, it will get better at making smart decisions and truly make the game better.
Because the community was extremely negative about all the changes we made. We were ready to compromise, to negotiate - but the community, and you in particular, were extremely opposed to it.
That is why there were no more updates in those modes.
We took a different path: we started making campaigns to show what functionality could be in the game, so that maybe people would be less negative about the rebalancing.
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Amins of this server release the re-balance mode 5 years ago, since then, nothing did happen with it, nothing as change, no update at all, and now in 24 hours we have create a new mode just like that...
Where was the update for the last 5 years before blizzard release a patch? We could have made alot of change into this game to make it better, but no one in the admins have take cares of it, instead we have made campaings that no one really cares, and now sudenly everyone wake up?? I feel like we have been trolls for years. And now because administration lack of confidence they wanna show us how good they are at making what blizzard did in only one night.. But this server will not get better by doing the same things as blizzard, it will get better at making smart decisions and truly make the game better.
Because the community was extremely negative about all the changes we made. We were ready to compromise, to negotiate - but the community, and you in particular, were extremely opposed to it.
That is why there were no more updates in those modes.
We took a different path: we started making campaigns to show what functionality could be in the game, so that maybe people would be less negative about the rebalancing.
This is clearly not true, everyone know have always advocate for evolution of the game, when lambchop bring the chop bar i was ALL FOR it, when we bring the APM and the timer i was all for it, when we bring hotkeys i was all for it, when we bring hd i was all for it, when we bring re-balance i was all for it.. I Have always been for evolution. What im against, is peoples like u8 who edit their mpq to have their personal priviledge, because we talk of hacking.. Peoples should not have acces to these change without the release of an official admins. PERIOD.
You have support this kind of behavior for ever, when i was telling you, peoples should not do that, you guys was telling me, your just too stupid to do it yourself... This is not how it should work.. Admins should be the only one who officially release things in the server, if its not officially release by an admins, then you must call it HACKING! thats all. But you dint... And always have blame me and call me crazy.
ive never been against anything dude, its the entire opposite, ive always be happy with every good we can bring to this game, but it must be good too, we dont change something because u8 think its good, we change things because the community agree on it... Its totally different.
Re-balance mode has nothing to do with the server, when you say peoples was mad its not true, because peoples play what they want, if they dont play rebalance right now its because they think its bad, so obviously you guys fail and throw the blame on the community, when re-balance will be good, i garantee you everyone will play re-balance over classic.
But since you fail and dont want to admit it, you just has throw the blame on us and stop working on it...
Thats your fault, no one is force to play re-balance, you cant say peoples is mad, you just can say you guys decide to stop working on it because you give up.
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What im against, is peoples like u8 who edit their mpq to have their personal priviledge, because we talk of hacking.. Peoples should not have acces to these change without the release of an official admins. PERIOD.
It is after such words that you are usually considered crazy.
It has been said many times, but I will say it for the last time: changes in the MPQ files do not bring any in-game advantages. If you have not been able to understand this simple truth in five years... then this is very sad and there is nothing more to talk about with you.
We agree, war2rebalance had its shortcomings, as did our work with the community. Perhaps we will be able to fix this.
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What im against, is peoples like u8 who edit their mpq to have their personal priviledge, because we talk of hacking.. Peoples should not have acces to these change without the release of an official admins. PERIOD.
It is after such words that you are usually considered crazy.
It has been said many times, but I will say it for the last time: changes in the MPQ files do not bring any in-game advantages. If you have not been able to understand this simple truth in five years... then this is very sad and there is nothing more to talk about with you.
We agree, war2rebalance had its shortcomings, as did our work with the community. Perhaps we will be able to fix this.
Ok... So then, explain me what he edit in the mpq? What the purpose of editing the mpq if it dont bring any change??
You can say whatever you want dude, but u8 was using color change on his units 10 years ago while it was not release yet on the server, u8 was using custom hotkeys 10 years ago before it was officially release by the admins, u8 was using twitch viewers name on his units way before everyone know what it was... And this is the things that we know, what else we dont know??! He also have been caught with the anti hack using unknow source code, stop lying and telling me it mean nothing, we both know it mean something. ANTI-hack was build on source code, he was analyzing souce code of the game and was telling us what source code we were using, if the anti hack was saying ANTI HACK on, it was meaning the player was using the right source code of the official server, if the anti hack was saying, none, it was meaning he was using an old version client from blizzard, if the anti hack was saying HACK, it was meaning someone was using a source code that we already know as hacking, and if the anti hack was saying unknow, it was meaning the anti hack had no idea at all what source code it was, it mean, it was not souce code of the server, it was not an old blizzard client, it was not a hack that we already know, it was just a source code that we dont know at all in the registery... So obviously what was that source code?? It was a personal source code that he made himself or someone give him, Period! And after i release that screen shot, you guys just remove the anti hack from the server... Why that?? Because you guys dint want it to happen again, just be HONNESt and stop calling me crazy!
For 10 years or more he did use priviledge sowftware or editation, call it whatever that please you. Im not crazy we both know its true, you just dont want to admit it, and because of that, you bring immorality to this server, you let know everyone that this kind of behavior is okay while in fact its totally not.
Not only you guys have let this happen for years, but you also insult me and try to put me down for years by calling me crazy and shit like that.
I know u8 is your king, but hes not mine, he will never be, and im always gonna cheer for the community over your king!
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Ok... So then, explain me what he edit in the mpq? What the purpose of editing the mpq if it dont bring any change??
Colors, names of units and buildings, tilesets, icons, sprites, menu pictures and splash pictures, credits, picture for credits, briefings, voice acting of units/briefings, etc.
that is, things that do not affect the game in any way. He can, if he wants, turn all the units into characters from My Little Pony. This is PURELY a matter of taste. It does not affect the game in any way.
Yes, in the MPQ files you will not be able to change the combat values for yourself, because otherwise the game will crash.
Real cheaters, which u8 does not belong to, do not use or change MPQ files. Because it is simply stupid.
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Ok... So then, explain me what he edit in the mpq? What the purpose of editing the mpq if it dont bring any change??
Colors, names of units and buildings, tilesets, icons, sprites, menu pictures and splash pictures, credits, picture for credits, briefings, voice acting of units/briefings, etc.
that is, things that do not affect the game in any way. He can, if he wants, turn all the units into characters from My Little Pony. This is PURELY a matter of taste. It does not affect the game in any way.
Yes, in the MPQ files you will not be able to change the combat values for yourself, because otherwise the game will crash.
Real cheaters, which u8 does not belong to, do not use or change MPQ files. Because it is simply stupid.
Changing the color of your units because you wanna see better than your opponnent is clearly affecting the game, putting name on your units and being able to remember wich units has getting damage because of those names is clearly affecting the game.. If i use custom hotkeys while 99% of the server cant, it clearly affect the game. If i made an hack where i give +2 damage to my units, i must acces pictures of the game to make sure that +2 dont appear in the picture itself when i click on my unit... Just like these hacks 30 years ago where peoples had paladin level 25 and we were able to see it... Who know if u8 dont use footman level 6 and he dint acces mpq picture to still make it appear level 5 on his game, or even ballista level3, or maybe a canon tower with 800 defense that never broke and stay at 1 HP even after a blizzard who know??!...It dont matter what he can or cant do, we dont know, and we should not have to ask ourself the question. No matter what he does with the MPQ, it should not be allow, period.. MPQ should not be editing at all if its not an admin for future updates and for the entire community... The MPQ is an oppening door for other hacks, because its the core of the games, and no one should have acces to it other than peoples who work for the server. for the entire community No matter if you think he can hack or not, it should not be allow period.. And if your about to tell me that you cant do shit about it because everyone can acces mpq even if you want to stop them, then you should at least say to peoples not doing it because its illegal, but you dont and you guys keep arguing the fact that there no probleme, it a probleme, it always have been and it always will be, make the things right, give decensy to that server and make sure to show exemple.
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What the heck? An entire saga started during my sleep hey people wait for me XD , and yes I think making the experience more casual is better , take a look at arena shooters and you will see that extreme hardcore crap doesn't help the game in the long run ,
Also , think about it this way humans put in more effort they full upgrade they micro their mages to cast slow on ogre mages they do all. That it takes yet still gets stomped by orcs , human player puts in more effort and more output than orc who can just cast bloodlust and will win how the heck is this fair? Also isn't BL bugged? Lol very "fair" , this isn't positive for the game and I said before its for the good of the game.
Open your minds for change not every Change is positive , and not always sticking to the same place is positive by refusing change others make better products , also pros? Dude you know what pros are? A minority , listening to pros should be the last thing devs do they don't represent us the majority the "normies" the "casuals" , things at high level differ from low or mid level understand this.
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Who know if u8 dont use footman level 6 and he dint acces mpq picture to still make it appear level 5 on his game, or even ballista level3, or maybe a canon tower with 800 defense that never broke and stay at 1 HP even after a blizzard who know??!...It dont matter what he can or cant do, we dont know, and we should not have to ask ourself the question.
Facts, please. Otherwise, this is just empty chatter from a windbag.
Changing the color of your units because you wanna see better than your opponnent is clearly affecting the game, putting name on your units and being able to remember wich units has getting damage because of those names is clearly affecting the game..
Nonsense. Any idiot can change the color and names. If you suddenly can't for some mental reasons, you can always ask knowledgeable people about it (about 95% of people on the server). It's very easy to do.
All programs and utilities for this, by the way, are widely available on our website in the "download" tab.
And yes, the "benefits" of this are so ridiculous that it's surprising that you use this as an argument. Other than replacing text, pictures, sounds, and the like, it's impossible to achieve more.
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No, Equinox is not talking nonsense, but quite reasonable things.
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All these listed things that he named really give almost nothing. Only from the degree of genius, or rather, the ability to find a habit of a micro advantage through memory, can you get an advantage. But you can. There is no doubt that u8 is not a stupid player. But you can't blame him, because he never said anything about it, and probably didn't even think of it. Although who knows. The point is that if it weren't for Equinox's honor, Eq could have already done all this with his mind, because in my understanding, he is a genius in the game, because he understands how it all works. Not as much as Enshein, but close.
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It is not allowed that people who are not part of the administration have the right to interfere with a file that could theoretically bring an advantage.
U8 has proven the community's trust in him.
And he is an admin. I don't know if he is now, but he was.
I remember that period.
I do not judge him out loud. But I have suspicions about him. I had them then, but now I have nothing.
Since he is an admin, he has trust, and at that time these changes really did not give a big advantage. And you can't judge him for this without evidence.
But it may happen that I am a brilliant stream sniper and cheater, an admin, no one will ever know who I am until I say so myself.
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I am not admin, never was and I dont want to fight people like equinox, waste of time, I enjoy playing game
you cant have diffrent game cause game will crash
EXAMPLE:
IF I edit my songs, will be game diffrent for you? NO
IF I edit AI, how it works, will be game for you diffrent? YES and what will game do? I will split game, to people who have same AI, and people who got diffrent,
that mean is cheat? No cause my AI want make barrack, your AI want make lumber mill
w2 got random dmg, sc got it perfect there is info 6 dmg will be 6 dmg - armor
just luck
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So how do you prove one is editing mpq to gain advantage? You do know you can't mess with unit stats cuz that will cause crash (happened to me in wc3) but since both 3 and 2 use mpq can replace models and will probably not cause crash , I heard somewhere you can do a fog of war bug or cheat using mpq but thats for wc3 not for 2.
And what would motivate one to cheat?? In this junk of a game?? That's freaking sad man...
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I have a feeling that there is a cheat in this game that can control enemy units. Why did I think that this is possible? There are 2 reasons for this. My peons, given my vast experience in games and professional form, at the time when I made this conclusion, I can confidently trust myself in the past and say that my peons during a tower rush retreat back, or to the side, in any direction, but not in the direction where I click. That is, as a pro, I know where my peons need to go. I click in this direction. But my no less professional opponent knows where they should not go. Therefore, this opponent with a cheat, having the ability to control my units, manually or automatically, takes my units away from there.
Once again.
Situation: I attack the opponent's base with towers and peons. At the moment where I need to either attack a peon, or repair my tower, or attack an enemy, my peons don't just move on their own, they move on the exact opposite order.
I press attack, and they retreat. You can't cancel the move button in any way. They can't go back if you pressed forward.
I saw a cross on the screen, that is, my click was counted, but they just retreat back, although there was no click back. I reviewed my game with u8 and it was like that there.
Second example. A peon can fight back only when he is without a task. That is, he does not run. And does not attack. He must only stand. But when playing with u8, my peon always responds to his attack. My peon cannot fight back WHILE HE IS RUNNING. HE CANNOT. UNTIL HE STOPS. But he does it. This is a cheat. And it exists. This is 100%.
The second reason why I can think that it is possible from the technical part is because there is an ogre mod that allows all this for two or more players. That is, more than two players can control the same "player".
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All I had to do was remember the game with u8 and I found irrefutable proof that it exists. He can turn it off and go into hiding. But if I wanted, I could find any video of him and capture his cheating trick where the enemy peon responds to his action while he is in the middle of a move or an enemy tower attack.
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Unfortunately. What a pity. U8, I know your secret.
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I get really annoyed when my units are controlled by another opponent. He's not the only one.
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I'll join the unnecessary debate.
Rag: good point, but any game evolves and grows, even if a group doesn't like it. You can play classic as a game variant.
Even if the remaster got super popular and people came over here saying "What are you doing playing this ancient version?", I'd reply with "What are you doing playing a custom mod?". As for the people that are saying yes because it's "official", you could have done the same changes some months ago but you didn't, and now that Blizz does it you all agree it's good? The same thing, but if Blizz says it, then it's a good idea. These are the people in charge over here?
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Man are you sure you are remembering right.
Can't take human memory for 100% proof especially if said incident happened years ago.
You will need to replicate this yourself and show us that its possible.
I think U8 gets too much flak for nothing , if there is proof and actual video , data etc evidence bring it.
If anything it sounds like to me (an outsider)that you guys have some sort of animosity between each other leading you to make such accusations but hey I may not have the full picture.
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Equinoks! Log out and get out of Ragner's account!
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That's why I want the anti-cheat to work. Because all this time there is a player who has been using a real cheat for a long time, which is not detected by newbies and average players. Only an idiot will not notice it. He can notice that something is wrong, but he will not understand what exactly. I know what exactly. And there is no excuse for this. It is a cheat that is impossible to prove at the moment. But I can. It only works with him and some other players.
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Equinoks! Log out and get out of Ragner's account!
go discord
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By allah this sounds like some sort of conspiracy theorist speech.
Mate you can't just freaking throw accusations around and not back it up.
Proof or it didn't happen case closed.
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I'll join the unnecessary debate.
Rag: good point, but any game evolves and grows, even if a group doesn't like it. You can play classic as a game variant.
Even if the remaster got super popular and people came over here saying "What are you doing playing this ancient version?", I'd reply with "What are you doing playing a custom mod?". As for the people that are saying yes because it's "official", you could have done the same changes some months ago but you didn't, and now that Blizz does it you all agree it's good? The same thing, but if Blizz says it, then it's a good idea. These are the people in charge over here?
Purge the server and overthrow the bourgeois of the server , get decision makers from the people.
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Unfortunately. What a pity. U8, I know your secret.
????????????????????????????????????
Are you under drugs?
tell me, tell everyone
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Man are you sure you are remembering right.
Can't take human memory for 100% proof especially if said incident happened years ago.
You will need to replicate this yourself and show us that its possible.
I think U8 gets too much flak for nothing , if there is proof and actual video , data etc evidence bring it.
If anything it sounds like to me (an outsider)that you guys have some sort of animosity between each other leading you to make such accusations but hey I may not have the full picture.
To make a claim, I have to play a game with the stream on against u8 1v1 more than once. But he always refuses to fight. Also, it is worth doing this before he notices these messages. Bad luck if he has already noticed them. He will simply disable the cheat. Yes, I remember correctly. And this happens often. So after I have already made a claim out loud, this is already enough to make the game better. He will be afraid to turn on this shit. And if he does not, then I will notice it and post it as evidence. I have no problems with him, I am just annoyed that when I really tried and tried to beat everyone, he was the one who blocked my professional career with his cheat. And no one believed me then. And I could not speak with accusations against everyone, since I myself had a secret. I used a cheat program against Equinox and stream-snipe.
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Unfortunately. What a pity. U8, I know your secret.
????????????????????????????????????
Are you under drugs?
tell me, tell everyone
tell everyone you are cheater. This is better when you do it yourself. I remember I had you but I decided to forget it because you are popular and I was too lazy
I remember also when I was talking about it to some players you stopped to do it for about 3 months. And countinued again after
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The excuse that saved you then, at that moment, that you have a different ping. But how can it be so different from the USA. Or from Russia.
Conventionally, the ping to the USA is about 300-400
To Russia 100-300
To you the smallest, 100-250
How can it be that this small difference affects the in-game function. It does not affect anyone, but with the Poles it does. This cannot be. You and some of the players who play with you have changes in the game that affect this.
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I noticed it long before the two-headed ogre mode came out. Nobody believed me then. I don't understand the technical part, I just see the same thing that every player sees. But I'm a pro. I know how the game works and every little thing. And this little thing was only with you and a few others. Mostly, these were smurfs or players I don't know well. But you were famous. And I was often compared to you. That's why it stuck in my mind. I wanted to be better and found mistakes. I found them in myself. But when I found a difference in the game itself, between you and me, and didn't find any difference in the game with other players, I realized that something was wrong with you. And you are special. You and a couple of other people.
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By allah this sounds like some sort of conspiracy theorist speech.
Mate you can't just freaking throw accusations around and not back it up.
Proof or it didn't happen case closed.
You are right in what you say. No evidence, no accusations. But understand that there are things that can't be proven. And I'm not a rat looking for super justice or to catch a bad guy doing bad things. I have other things to do too. Instead of trying to find arguments against u8, I'll go and play with normal 4c players at night, like I did recently. I don't care that much. After a conflict like that with u8, he just won't play with me, he's afraid of me.
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Who gives a shit whether U8 cheats or not — his streams do the good work for all WC2 community, bring new & old players, and no one caught him yet.
I vote for... not making it default yet, let's make it an option and test it more.
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Of course, if I play 1v1 with him, and I have the stream on, or at least play 1v1 with him in 4c, I will hope for either one miracle or the other.
First: he will play with cheats and I will post a video segment with evidence of the violation of the peon maneuver.
Second: he will no longer use this crap
Unfortunately, after such a conflict, he has not entered the same games with me before.
Therefore, I myself have abandoned and abandon attempts to catch him for dishonest. When I remember I tried to do this after a while and I still managed to play with him in the same game, I recorded only warvid. And since the warvideo was recorded in 30 frames, those clicks that I made were not completely recorded, because the frame rate was not enough for registration. I then recorded a video of my warvid through a program. After I started and discovered that this was not enough, I realized that it was useless. I need to stream the game.
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После такого конфликта с u8 он просто не будет играть со мной, он меня боится.
Did U8 also play with cheats at the Lviv meeting? I think you got pretty fucked there.
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После такого конфликта с u8 он просто не будет играть со мной, он меня боится.
Did you also play with cheats at the Lviv U8 meeting? I think you got pretty fucked there.
Guess I do, noone saw it
He doesnt have anything, im clear
FUN FACT ranger cheated vs equinox if you forgot guys
I like it how cheaters, equinox ragner talk that I cheat and they dont have any single ss/replay/warvideo etc
Im waiting when you will make new server you will play vs "fake u8t3io3p" and you will make replay where I cheat, go on
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By allah this sounds like some sort of conspiracy theorist speech.
Mate you can't just freaking throw accusations around and not back it up.
Proof or it didn't happen case closed.
Tell me who you are, and then I'll understand who I'm talking to. I'm not making things up right now. It was true and it is true. If there's some other reason why he's not guilty, and it's not ping, then I'm just guilty of talking about an innocent person. He's guilty only in my eyes now. But I forgave him a long time ago. And more than once. That's why I'm not making an expose on him, he has a chance to improve for the better. He does a lot for the community, he's a valuable person for all of us, and I respect him as a player. I just don't want this to continue.
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После такого конфликта с u8 он просто не будет играть со мной, он меня боится.
Did you also play with cheats at the Lviv U8 meeting? I think you got pretty fucked there.
Guess I do, noone saw it
He doesnt have anything, im clear
FUN FACT ranger cheated vs equinox if you forgot guys
I like it how cheaters, equinox ragner talk that I cheat and they dont have any single ss/replay/warvideo etc
Im waiting when you will make new server you will play vs "fake u8t3io3p" and you will make replay where I cheat, go on
I don't set people up, good news for you, I'm not one of those you saw before.
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I'll be streaming lately and I'll just play games with you if you're there and that will naturally prohibit you from using it.
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Выглядит как дешёвый байт, гарнир)
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you are idiot, and i refused to play with you due your behavior in team games
If I can pick games with you or without you, I will pick first option
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После такого конфликта с u8 он просто не будет играть со мной, он меня боится.
Did U8 also play with cheats at the Lviv meeting? I think you got pretty fucked there.
Then at the meeting I personally already told you, I don’t know why you’re trying to hurt me with this now, but it hasn’t hurt me for a long time. Imagine, it makes me think about your adequacy.
That day I slept poorly for 2 days, and when I was going to Lviv, the day before that, I got really drunk with friends. That’s the first thing.
Second, I got used to my non-standard keyboard, and in the computer club there was a classic keyboard, very comfortable, like all of mine before that.
The difference in habit was such that when I pressed D out of habit as on my keyboard, on the keyboard in the PC club the F button was pressed, the shift was one button completely on each field.
Thus, I missed every button, and accordingly, every hotkey.
Then the match was 0-2. And although I showed a weak game, but at least I didn’t die right away. Although it was a noob. But how can you show yourself well when you literally miss every button? This is what distinguishes you from a normal person. You can't understand it. It was like a handicap. But I don't blame u8 for this. He won fairly. And you're trying to humiliate me with this, although I admit defeat. It's just unpleasant for me to admit it. For competitive reasons. I don't remember noticing any cheats from him then. I'll say more. They weren't there. It was the cleanest game in the world from him. This is what made me even more convinced of my words at that moment. Thank you for reminding me of another fact.
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Ragner, stop using drugs or you'll turn into a "second Equinox"
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Well ragner U8 is at the top of wc2 competitive play bringing him down or exposing him could send huge waves of attention across the community well if we call 50 people 49 are russians and 1 is a pole a community lol , not to get side tracked throwing such accusations can have negative impact and you know that one thing I learned from internet drama is someone gonna dig so deep into another person history to "expose" him it can have far reaching consequences mate you are talking about doxxing , death threats and more....
Thankfully the polish people tend to have thick skin so they don't bow down easily.
Also as I said you seem to harbor disdain or hatred towards U8 making your statements somewhat taken with a grain of salt.
If I were you I would create a new account of course counting the server can't recognize its the same IP , with the new account U8 can't notice you are ragner and play regularly with him and record the matches and analyze them XD imagine this works ahahaha be damn hilarious anyway if you get anything on him you then make a YT channel and make 8 videos about exposing U8 with the thumbnail "its over for U8" "U8 situation got worse".
Anyway enough joking around , seriously if you can get somebody to prove that its possible to control another player unit like that in what I assume is garden of war then you may have something to say.
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Ragner, stop using drugs or you'll turn into a "second Equinox"
I haven't used drugs for a long time, and I've already quit drinking. So don't use these empty words, as you call them, because you have no reason to say so. The only way you can prove your words is if you come to me in Ukraine and spend at least 2 months with me to make sure of it. And if you can't, then shut your filthy mouth.
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You are now trying to threaten me and give me examples of other people, which I have never done in my life. Don't tell me what to do and what not to do.
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By allah this sounds like some sort of conspiracy theorist speech.
Mate you can't just freaking throw accusations around and not back it up.
Proof or it didn't happen case closed.
Tell me who you are, and then I'll understand who I'm talking to. I'm not making things up right now. It was true and it is true. If there's some other reason why he's not guilty, and it's not ping, then I'm just guilty of talking about an innocent person. He's guilty only in my eyes now. But I forgave him a long time ago. And more than once. That's why I'm not making an expose on him, he has a chance to improve for the better. He does a lot for the community, he's a valuable person for all of us, and I respect him as a player. I just don't want this to continue.
Who am I? Well a person ? Is that enough? Just a new player who played wc2 cuz after he finished metal gear solid on the ps1 he found nothing else to play so he installed wc2.
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Nice discussion about the changes in the server to use or not the blizzard patch
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because you have no reason to say so
Unfortunately, there is. It's a shame to see what the real war has done to you. I thought you were stronger. So, I was wrong.
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I didn't give you any reason to be rude to me. You know how I feel about you. But it seems like your memory has gotten really bad. It's a shame, I say it again.
You were once a good guy, despite your impulsive nature.
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Well ragner U8 is at the top of wc2 competitive play bringing him down or exposing him could send huge waves of attention across the community well if we call 50 people 49 are russians and 1 is a pole a community lol , not to get side tracked throwing such accusations can have negative impact and you know that one thing I learned from internet drama is someone gonna dig so deep into another person history to "expose" him it can have far reaching consequences mate you are talking about doxxing , death threats and more....
Thankfully the polish people tend to have thick skin so they don't bow down easily.
Also as I said you seem to harbor disdain or hatred towards U8 making your statements somewhat taken with a grain of salt.
If I were you I would create a new account of course counting the server can't recognize its the same IP , with the new account U8 can't notice you are ragner and play regularly with him and record the matches and analyze them XD imagine this works ahahaha be damn hilarious anyway if you get anything on him you then make a YT channel and make 8 videos about exposing U8 with the thumbnail "its over for U8" "U8 situation got worse".
Anyway enough joking around , seriously if you can get somebody to prove that its possible to control another player unit like that in what I assume is garden of war then you may have something to say.
I don't dig into other people's lives and I don't need to know what u8 is doing. This is all about the game. And I can only prove something with the help of the same game that I play and that I watch in front of my screen.
I'm not interested in your personal experience that you have. Thank you for warning me that there may be people who are doing obvious obscenities, worse than hacking. Of course, I can stop talking about u8, I already said so.
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because you have no reason to say so
Unfortunately, there is. It's a shame to see what the real war has done to you. I thought you were stronger. So, I was wrong.
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I didn't give you any reason to be rude to me. You know how I feel about you. But it seems like your memory has gotten really bad. It's a shame, I say it again.
You were once a good guy, despite your impulsive nature.
If you thought it was rude, then I'm sorry. But I hope you understood why I answered that way. Otherwise it would be strange, because I'm not lying to you, you really tried to hurt me, and you know that this is not the topic I wanted to talk about, and instead of saying something sensible, you try to insult me. But it's not offensive. So watch how you speak, and then there will be a positive response in your direction.
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Nice discussion about the changes in the server to use or not the blizzard patch
Its warcraft community at its finest discuss everything in a warcraft related site everything but warcraft.
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Ragner I didn't know you are from ukraine , as such I think you aren't in the best mental state to have this discussion as it seems you are getting worked up over it.
Take a break man , best wishes.
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You know, I'm very sorry that the war started. I wouldn't like to live now the way people live during war. Yes, I've become worse as a person. But I've also improved. Life is not one year long, there are many of them. And in some years a person is bad, and in others he is good. I'm glad that you and I had both good and bad, but let's not focus on the negative for the sake of manipulation in a normal dialogue.
I won't blame u8 anymore, because everything is clear to me anyway. I won't ruin his reputation. But Warcraft is one of my favorite places. And the war ruined it all. And I'm sorry.
I tried to make the game better, I activated the admins with my questions, and they woke up. I didn't do anything, I just wrote to them, and I'm glad they responded. My motivation was Equinox
He also talked about u8, and I know the truth, just like he does. Maybe it's not true and I'm wrong. I usually never take premature actions. Because I think about the consequences. But since I have no evidence, and do not want to have it on hand, these are empty words. U8, you can sleep peacefully
Just understand one thing, I am doing all this for my favorite place - Warcraft 2. I want there to be no cheaters in this game.
And if I am wrong, and you are not like that, then I apologize for slandering you, because this strange behavior of peons may have an explanation other than ping. I do not know what. But maybe.
That is why I apologize to you.
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You dont have any ss/replays/warvideo of your stupid ideas that I control your peon
tell us how it could work?! people would not see I can control them? or im using second pc while playing? dear god
you lost on lan cause you miss one button? no you didnt, you were destroyed without winning single map and we played at least 3
you are doing best place?
you are fucking loser, you hacked old game to have advantage using stream snip or making ss for "WIN"
fucking hypocrite
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Я даже напишу на русском.
Ахахах
Моя мотивация сюда вернуться - тоже был Эквинокс) с поразительной частотой чувак, что откровенно врёт и срёт здесь на форуме. Тебе напомнить как он отзывался об Эдо? Или его остальную ложь? А теперь ты... Добровольно жмёшь ему руку? Как же низко ты пал. Моё сожаление.
Sry mans, for Russian language.
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Its not your fault that the war started its something way bigger than anyone of us here.
I can see you are passionate about this game and that's good we need people with passion thats how warcraft stays alive anyway by the passion of the fans.
And because of that I say you sleep on this topic for now as it seems you aren't doing very good this day.
Btw you can avoid U8 by playing on battle net if u don't want to be in the same place as him , just chill man its difficult to have inner peace when missiles are falling down left and right near you.
Just forget about this discussion for YOUR mental health .
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Я всегда с ним хорошо общался, если ты помнишь. Единственное, что мне не нравилось в наших с ним отношениях, это что он по сей день называет меня смурфом. А второе, это что я использовал ту программу, что дал мне Эдо. Это не секрет, он сам недавно писал об этом на форуме.
Также я не читал что он писал об Эдо, это ваши личные разборки, и меня это не касается
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Its not your fault that the war started its something way bigger than anyone of us here.
I can see you are passionate about this game and that's good we need people with passion thats how warcraft stays alive anyway by the passion of the fans.
And because of that I say you sleep on this topic for now as it seems you aren't doing very good this day.
Btw you can avoid U8 by playing on battle net if u don't want to be in the same place as him , just chill man its difficult to have inner peace when missiles are falling down left and right near you.
Just forget about this discussion for YOUR mental health .
Yes, okay, thanks for the advice, I'll listen to it.
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You dont have any ss/replays/warvideo of your stupid ideas that I control your peon
tell us how it could work?! people would not see I can control them? or im using second pc while playing? dear god
you lost on lan cause you miss one button? no you didnt, you were destroyed without winning single map and we played at least 3
you are doing best place?
you are fucking loser, you hacked old game to have advantage using stream snip or making ss for "WIN"
fucking hypocrite
I didn't say that I play better than everyone else. There are players who play better than me.
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Это не личные разборки рагнер. Он публично врал и про сервер и про ила и про едо. Называя нас, цитирую: "российские коммунистические криминальные киберпреступники".
С тех пор - эта личность сугубо вредительская нашему серверу. И то что ты якшаешься с ним, ручкаешься...
"У блатных есть одно правило, дикое на первый взгляд, но разумное если вдуматься: если поручкался с педерастом - сам таковым и стал."
А я давно тебе говорил не общаться с этим чучелом.
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50 posts that have absolutely nothing to do with what the OP posted about.
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Idiots will be idiots
And cheaters like equniox and ragner will try catch other cheaters cause its impossible someone else is clear
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I suspect there actually alot of different hacks, im not a devlopper programmar, but im not dumb enouph to think its not possible.
After playing this game for at least 25 years, i can obviously say what has been the difference between the past and today.
In general i could also believe it's a result of certain bug, but some things make me believe its not a bug, but mostly the result of certain manipulation.
Exemple 1: Units that move alone, Ragner is clearly right about this, i cant say the actual date that it start, but it clearly start between 2016 and 2020.. At the beginning it was just some minor movement, units ( always Ogers ) where running in a certain direction for no reason, not too far bust just running somehwere where hes not suppose.. When i started to live that phenomena, i write a post about it on the forum, peoples start to call me crazy, and it was only the result of a dk or blizzard, something that i know for years ago, but the phenomena that we talk about right now, is totally something different, there no mages dk involve, there no ennemies units involve period... After a certain time, it was even worst, one of my units could literally move alone from 4-5 to 12 or even for 4-5 to 11... I say the positions like this because it dint happen so often, but i will always remember these one because it was around the time i speak about it on forum and it was almost like if someone was trolling me. So it basicly create trauma that i will always remember. I know it happen more than that, but they are the 2 times i will always remember because it was so exagerate and for no reason at all.. After a certain time, the penomena stop being so exagerate and goes back to the normal random mouvement not too far... And some years later, admins release the 2 ogers mode where we can play with the units of someone else.
Exemple 2: A kind of hacking positions, some peoples act like its not a big deal and position dont matter, they dont understand there different positions with different advantage or disadvantage, by exemple, the worst positions of old classic garden of war are 11, 4, 6, 8. These positions for alot of reasons are cutting into our box of strategies tool that we can use. Exemple 11-4 mostly force you to power because the rush is so bad compare to other positions that you cant really do that strategie properly.. Some peoples will told you thats its not true and you can win, but if you take 2 tier 1 players and you put them face to face, the guys at 12 will always crush the guy at 4 or 11 by exemple.. Its mathematicly impossible for these positions to win a rush rush game, because the game force you to do things that you dont have to do at 12 or 2 or 5 or 9... Wich is chopping wood, making little walls etc.. Not only you spent time chopping wood, but you also spent time at not recolting gold, you also spent ressource making little wall. Same for 6, the gold mine at every positions on the map, are closer to our hall compare to six, wich mathematicly bring you more gold faster and easily help your rush.. This is not a question, its mathematicly a reality. So position can give big advantage or disadvantage to a player, because it allow him to be responsive in more different situations and just choose whatever strategie he want. I also know its something that we can hack for sure, because when you create a map, you must assign every player to a starting positions, if its an 8 players map, you will have to assign 8 starting position for every player, these assignment are clearly sett somewhere in the code source. This is these assignations that will allow the code to make it random, the normal chance to get a positions should be around 12.5%... But if someone find that source code, he could clearly make a software to adjust the % of every positions he want. Not only for him, but also for his ennemie. Around 2020, while we had the hacking saga in the community, a smurf came into my games, i got huge suspicion about who it is, he came from another server.. The guy literally open map hack in everyone game... Every 8 players in the game as saw their mini map open a map hack alone... Thats the literal proof that some peoples can clearly not only hack his own game, but also our own GAME... Im sure there peoples wo remember that event because we were 8 players and clearly someone must remember it. So when i said or ragner said that someone could control our units, im 100% sure it is possible, when i said someone could adjust his rating position chance and also adjust his ennemie raiting position chance, im 100% sure of it.. We dont need to be a believer, we just need to actually check the reality with the 2 ogers mode. Does anyone have already get 6-8 12 times in a row? I did, vs Talrand. The shitty spots that i get in a day its basicly unbalivable, i can get 4-6-8-11 almost 35 times in a day if i play 50 games. Its regular, its just every day.. The chance that this kind of thing happen every day are actually really suspicious.
Exemple 3: the peon that refuse to get inside a gold mine, this one i admit it could be a bug, but i know for sure its not something that happen in the original version of warcraft i was playing 25 years ago... If its not a hack, its clearly a bug in the game as a result of certain modification that we bring to it... Because it never been a bug in the original game.
Exemple 4: The super balista or the super canon towers, these things start around 2022-2023 i would say, these canon tower that never broke and always lock at 1% hp, you can bring a blizzard or a dk with at least 100 magic, and when you dk them or blizz them they never broke the first time, they stay at 1% HP and it broke your entire strategie... Most of the time, the first attack a player will do to their ennemie will literally be a game changer, if the attack work, you have very very high chance to win the game, but if the attack miss, then your chance to win the game drasticly drop very very low.. This is because some peoples will reduce their ressource management at the maximum to optimize their strategie at is maximum... By exemple a power or a peon stop rush, today in the most modern meta, as the opposite of the old time where everyone was making mass peons, some peoples prefere to reduce their peons at the maximum to save their economie and instead of splitting their ressource between their peons and their attack they just literally calculate everything to make sure the attack will be at his maximum the fastest way possible... Its a little bit more complexe, but when you know how to do it its became a game in it self and its just a new way of playing... The probleme with this strategie is, you cant miss, because if you miss, then your ennemie who has made a tons of peons will now get a huge advantage in the next minutes because he got bigger incomming ressource compare to the one who have reduce his income at his maximum.. So the unbreakable canon tower that never broke is a huge deal for these kind of strategie, because when it dont broke, you mostly miss the entire attack and now just because of this, you lose the game. I know these kind of things was not happening in the past, maybe at some rare occasion, so rare that i cant even remember it, but like i said around 2022 and 2023 everything start to be clear, i realize this because it was basicly happening with the same player all the time, his name was SPB. I found this suspicious because i told myself why its always him, why its never other players, and then after some months more and more players started to have that unbrakable tower that always lock at 1%.
Same thing with the balista or catapul, some balista or catapul seem super overpower, i know there random attack to it, but some player has crazy catapul and balista, catapul that do almost 90% damage in one shot, or catapul that need 4 shot to die... Just today, or yesterday, i dont remember, but someone shoot a ballista with 3 Catapult, 3 straight good shot right in the middle of it, normally, that kind of shot will kill a ballista with 2 shot at same time from 2 catapult, i think it was the first time i saw a ballista survive to 3 other ballista shot at the same time... Now i cant really say its a hack, it could just be the minimal damage x3, something that its probably super rare and i basicly never see in 25 years, who know... But for the canon tower that stay at 1% im not buying it as a bug.
Exemple 5: The peon that dont want to build... This one is the most recent one, it start this years 2024, peon that just refuse to build, especially in nib war, this is something that start to happen for the first time with U8! i will also always remember it because i was shook, im 9 and u8 is 11... We both make your hall and farm, u8 send his first peon to scout me at 9 and i goes in my entrace of 9 to build a farm, my peon just refuse to build and stay there waiting u8 to fight me.. It was like if u8 had a map hack and can see my peon from long distance, and before i make my action to build, he attack me at distance with his peon, so it was like if my peon had already an action in waiting, wich it was the attack against u8, so when i does my action to build, it dont consider it, because my peon his already waiting for another action wich is the attack, and by this situation the peon stay there instead to build and just wait u8 peon to come in fight. And what did open my suspicious so hardly its the fact that u8 peon clearly know an attack was incomming, it was like if he was already seing my peon from 11 and directly attack my peon at 9, so his peon was already lock on my peon from a long distance wich result in a single action movement all the way down from 11 to 9. I know when someone do 1 action or does 2 action, the ping response easyly make the actions visible between each click. So if u8 was scouting properly, i would have see his peon running then do a little pause then attack mine, because the only way to attack a peon in one single action is when you already can see it.. Il give you an exemple.. When you are at 12-2 in a nib war, then you send a grunt, your grunt die, and your dead grunt leave a corpse behind him, that corpse will provide a little sight of vision for something like 5 sec, if you go back at home and pick one of your grunt and go back straight up at 12, then you can click in his grunt in that little sight of corpse to make the attack in one single mouvement.. What did happen with u8 was exactly the same phenoma, but there was no corpse and it was our first peon, so basicly, it seem like he had a map hack, now if my peon dint build, i dont know why, maybe its a different hack, or maybe its the result of a bug with the map hack, but cearly the peon refuse to build, and since couples of month this phenomena start with some new players, and its mostly always in nib war, this phenomena mostly remember me the peon that refuse to get in the gold mine, because the peon that refuse to go in gold mine always do this after a peon war, like if the peon was still stock in the attack ation and refuse to get in the gold mine because he has never leave the attack action, so instead to entering the gold mine he refuse because he is still lock into the attack action.
These are observation that catch my eyes pretty hardly in the last years, now peoples will say, but how someone that old will do this kind of things, why someone will be so lame, its not possible etc etc... Im sorry, but i refuse to believe this kind of affirmation.. Most of peoples have played this game for 25 years, they have play since they are kid, they have grow up with this game, and not ony they have grow up with the game, but they have grow up in programmation and devlopppement, for some peoples, its just a challenge, the challenge is not only about the game, but also about what they can edit or not.. For someone like this, the challenge of hacking the game is more interessting than the game itself. The age dont matter if you got a passion for something, if the 40 years old dude have grow up editing the game since he is 16 years old, he will not cares at all about the fact that he is a grown man adult. I mean, when someone tell me this, i just want to laugh harder and harder. Its sush the most ridiculous excuse i ever eard in my life... He cant do this because he is too old... Let me laugh please.
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I’d actually like to change my vote to yes(we should change to the official patch)
Nothing is game breaking and game is more balanced.
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Now if we talk about u8 himself, no one ask him to admit that he has been hacking, editing, cheating or having fun, whatever you wanna call it. I dont think anyone cares about his comming out, because i already know the truth about this, by definition what he does in the last 10 years was editing the game for its personal purpose, and by definition we call this hacking, period.
So nobody cares about his comming out, what i really hope, is we stop calling me crazy and having mental issue and taking drugs because i spit real fact, the same way i was spitting real fact with lightbringer 10 years ago and he was telling me i was crazy and i need to get help for my mental issue, hes been trying to make me look like a total liar and manipulator and a crazy person, trying to ruin my reputation for months, while at the end iL himself came to made a post on the forum to admit i was right and lightbringer was wrong. Here again, i was right about this hacking issue.. The same way i was right when i was saying Ragner was hacking and or sniping me, and again peoples was calling me crazy and having mental issue, while at the end Ragner admit himself that he was in fact hacking and sniping me. No One cares about u8 comming out, because here again, i know the truth, the only thing i wish, is we make a therm to players who edit the mpq or any type of editation of the game if they are not admins and not doing it for the entire community. I wish we at least tell to people we cant do this anymore and show the exemple to everyone. I want this game to be legit, not a damn jungle where we have give 30 years of our life knowing everyone can edit the damn game for whatever reason they want while we there trying to play in a legit way while i should probably just get the f out of here because im actually just losing my time since the last 30 years like a total absolute moron.
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Thats a hell lot of words nox , too bad I read it all and I gotta say its impressive how far you would go to remember stuff.
Its sad that some would hack such an old game.
Good thing we just need more votes for yes.
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Now if we talk about u8 himself, no one ask him to admit that he has been hacking, editing, cheating or having fun, whatever you wanna call it. I dont think anyone cares about his comming out, because i already know the truth about this, by definition what he does in the last 10 years was editing the game for its personal purpose, and by definition we call this hacking, period.
So nobody cares about his comming out, what i really hope, is we stop calling me crazy and having mental issue and taking drugs because i spit real fact, the same way i was spitting real fact with lightbringer 10 years ago and he was telling me i was crazy and i need to get help for my mental issue, hes been trying to make me look like a total liar and manipulator and a crazy person, trying to ruin my reputation for months, while at the end iL himself came to made a post on the forum to admit i was right and lightbringer was wrong. Here again, i was right about this hacking issue.. The same way i was right when i was saying Ragner was hacking and or sniping me, and again peoples was calling me crazy and having mental issue, while at the end Ragner admit himself that he was in fact hacking and sniping me. No One cares about u8 comming out, because here again, i know the truth, the only thing i wish, is we make a therm to players who edit the mpq or any type of editation of the game if they are not admins and not doing it for the entire community. I wish we at least tell to people we cant do this anymore and show the exemple to everyone. I want this game to be legit, not a damn jungle where we have give 30 years of our life knowing everyone can edit the damn game for whatever reason they want while we there trying to play in a legit way while i should probably just get the f out of here because im actually just losing my time since the last 30 years like a total absolute moron.
Wow he needs to come out? What is he closeted gay ? I suppose this community is progressive enough to accept gay cheaters
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ABSOLUTELY NOT. Blizzard fux things up. Do you really trust anything they do after their SHIT remaster drop!?!!@#@#$!! (War2 wasnt the only one they f'd up, they f'd them ALL up) Seriously wtf. It's clear that the devs there are completely braindead and the LAST thing we need is them fuckin with the mechanics of the game. If there were ever a reason to make a new server, this would be it if you did this. Fuck the changes they made. Make it an OPTIONAL game mode, but by default and no way to go back, if you did that, I'd consider you as stupid as the blizzard devs and thats a pretty low bar.
SG says a lot of stupid shit, but he's 100% right on the statement below, if you're that dumb, you do deserve a ban. Go play the remaster if you want it that way:
Whoever voted yes should be banned from forum and server.
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But if I wanted, I could find any video of him and capture his cheating trick where the enemy peon responds to his action while he is in the middle of a move or an enemy tower attack.
i'd like to see video of this, sounds odd
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ABSOLUTELY NOT. Blizzard fux things up. Do you really trust anything they do after their SHIT remaster drop!?!!@#@#$!! (War2 wasnt the only one they f'd up, they f'd them ALL up) Seriously wtf. It's clear that the devs there are completely braindead and the LAST thing we need is them fuckin with the mechanics of the game. If there were ever a reason to make a new server, this would be it if you did this. Fuck the changes they made. Make it an OPTIONAL game mode, but by default and no way to go back, if you did that, I'd consider you as stupid as the blizzard devs and thats a pretty low bar.
SG says a lot of stupid shit, but he's 100% right on the statement below, if you're that dumb, you do deserve a ban. Go play the remaster if you want it that way:
Whoever voted yes should be banned from forum and server.
Dude why such hostility?? I don't get this very negative attitude from warcraft community when it comes to supporting their games like they will complain no Matter what! I don't see a problem in fixing how bloodlust works , sure the nerf to blizzard is bad but is it the end of the world? I don't think so also ranged units got buffed this is a step into the right direction.
Why can't humans get to enjoy something OP ? Orcs been dominating for so long whats bad about shaking things up?
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Yes please! Even better, a balance patch created by the wc2 experts but i've lost hope.
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We are 2 votes behind to bring new feature for this game! Making this the default be a good change.
We just need to open our minds to change.
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We are 2 votes behind to bring new feature for this game! Making this the default be a good change.
We just need to open our minds to change.
It's probably not a good idea to apply such a change when the result of the poll is almost 50/50. If it will change to 80/20, then maybe...
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We are 2 votes behind to bring new feature for this game! Making this the default be a good change.
We just need to open our minds to change.
It's probably not a good idea to apply such a change when the result of the poll is almost 50/50. If it will change to 80/20, then maybe...
Yeah what I meant is 2 votes and we won't be lagging behind 3 votes and kept that way to 19th is a win for me and the rest who want to see the default balance be the official one.
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We are 2 votes behind to bring new feature for this game
Try not to lie during your election campaign.
Firstly, this is not feature in the literal sense of the word, but thoughtless copying of stupid changes from another game.
Yes, in common sense (not in terms of lawyers), remastered is another game, not DLC for BNE or w/e,
therefore, I would recommend to those who appreciate the legality and original game - to hurry with the purchase of licensed KEYS on the GOG, while this is still possible: https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?topic=7288.0
Secondly, among those who voted to make sheet defaults - are forum regulars that have never played on the server.
This vote is absolutely not representative, however - as always: who informed the real players? - A rhetorical question.
Although, what am I talking about ... vote for suicide? Well, f*.
If the one (whoever) makes the final decision will try to push this abomination, hiding behind a fig leaf of this vote - he will cross out all its previous merits and put on a par with famous psychopaths.
I have a compromise (still bad for War2 as a whole) solution, so I keep it as last resort if the madness will "win" in "honest" voting,
because it seems the main adherents of the changes are interested not in the convenience of the players, but in the opportunity (power) to impose their interesting madness to the rest.
Thirdly and most importantly: this is already in the game, and you do not need to bringpush it by force: https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?topic=7297.0
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We are 2 votes behind to bring new feature for this game
Try not to lie during your election campaign.
Firstly, this is not feature in the literal sense of the word, but thoughtless copying of stupid changes from another game.
Yes, in common sense (not in terms of lawyers), remastered is another game, not DLC for BNE or w/e,
therefore, I would recommend to those who appreciate the legality and original game - to hurry with the purchase of licensed KEYS on the GOG, while this is still possible: https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?topic=7288.0
Secondly, among those who voted to make sheet defaults - are forum regulars that have never played on the server.
This vote is absolutely not representative, however - as always: who informed the real players? - A rhetorical question.
Although, what am I talking about ... vote for suicide? Well, f*.
If the one (whoever) makes the final decision will try to push this abomination, hiding behind a fig leaf of this vote - he will cross out all its previous merits and put on a par with famous psychopaths.
I have a compromise (still bad for War2 as a whole) solution, so I keep it as last resort if the madness will "win" in "honest" voting,
because it seems the main adherents of the changes are interested not in the convenience of the players, but in the opportunity (power) to impose their interesting madness to the rest.
Thirdly and most importantly: this is already in the game, and you do not need to bringpush it by force: https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?topic=7297.0
Im something of a politician myself so its hard to be honest hehehe.
I get the choice is difficult for some but I see it better change for the game , this is a chance to see a fair play between factions why not? ? Why not try ? Humans being able to compete is a good change why reject? No point but staying "pure" for the sake of it.
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Secondly, among those who voted to make sheet defaults - are forum regulars that have never played on the server.
like half players who voted
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5 days away from the voting ending still lacking by 2 votes did the "yes" side lose? Is it over?
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Personally I'm for a rebalance of the game :
- Ogres are too strong compared to Paladins. The auto-heal offered by War2Combat with the rebalanced option activated is a good proposal.
- Griffons/Dragons should take more supply so you can't spam them.
- Same for Ogres/Paladins : at some point you don't play footmen anymore because they take almost the same supply. So, slow-down the creation of Paladins/Ogres in barracks, and +2 of supply maybe a solution.
- Repairing ballistas with a peon ? A damn good idea.
So yeah, that would be a different game. But as for Starcraft2 over 14 years.
You can't deny that the game is broken right at the begining...
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Personally I'm for a rebalance of the game :
- Ogres are too strong compared to Paladins. The auto-heal offered by War2Combat with the rebalanced option activated is a good proposal.
- Griffons/Dragons should take more supply so you can't spam them.
- Same for Ogres/Paladins : at some point you don't play footmen anymore because they take almost the same supply. So, slow-down the creation of Paladins/Ogres in barracks, and +2 of supply maybe a solution.
- Repairing ballistas with a peon ? A damn good idea.
So yeah, that would be a different game. But as for Starcraft2 over 14 years.
You can't deny that the game is broken right at the begining...
I think even with auto heal paladins can't beat ogres , BL is too good you outmatch the enemy even if you lack behind by attack upgrades an insane spell glad it got reworked in wc3 into something more balanced , heal has been buffed as you know but still 5 mana is too much for a single HP , paladins need radical change I mean 3 mana per HP faster mana regin or something of that sort.
I think what makes warcraft 2 a fun game is everything costs the same amount of supply basically the fun is spamming things in warcraft 2 and flooding the map with it.
You know what? Im in favor of repairing ships more than anything else correct me if im wrong but ships can't be repaired.
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