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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: dannyldd on November 13, 2024, 06:40:57 PM
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Here are my thoughts about the War2 Remaster being announced (+ Released) by Blizzard Entertainment on November 13th, 2024.
Positive features:
- Remastered graphics with the same original War2 color palette. Upscaled & re-drawn for higher resolutions.
- Remastered UI in-game for widescreen support.
- Remastered background images for overall the whole game. Mission briefings, main menu.
- Selectable units up to 12, instead of 9.
- Allowed to select between war2 DOS soundtrack version, even though a bit different than DOSBox and what I used to remember from original old computers OR Warcraft 2 BattleNet Edition soundtrack version.
-Allowed spells for certain mission will remain with darker icon for that specific unit in case it has not been researched, such as the feature exists in Starcraft 1 or Warcraft 3
-You can select in options to always show health bar on a unit, either above or below.
-Smooth scrolling around the map. Even more smooth than current feature by Fois in War2Combat.
Negative features:
- Main logo cinematic was slow to load for me.
- Cinematics from main menu (introduction to war2) or Destruction from Great portal loaded overall with slow FPS, even though I have 13 years old processor.
- I pressed Garden of War map in Multiplayer > maps > classic options and game crashed.
- I could not load the main menu from war2 remaster from Warcraft II remaster.exe. It always pops out the message: "Not logged to Battle.net. Please login". So if this issue happens to anybody else, you cannot play this game without being connected to internet and so then, logged to Battle Net launcher.
- Multiplayer section ONLY has games being created OR allows to create a game. NO MAIN CHAT, like War2Combat or classic Warcraft 2. Chat is not in right side either.
- There's an option for UI in-game options which has a scrolling bar, which I dont know what is for. It says: " UI FIXED" with a scrolling bar which I dont know what it does. No changes if moving around.
- NO ENHANCEMENTS for AI at ALL.
- Game still has messy AI Unit Pathing.
- NO REBALANCE for units in-game. Single or multiplayer.
- Just guessing even though not tested up, but the game may still have SAVE-LOAD bug issues from original game, which were fixed up by Ed gorod for War2Combat.
- NO FIX for SPAMMING AUDIOS in-game. Aka: right clicking a unit will spam unit audios non-stop. Same as switching up between group control of units. This issue was fixed up within my mods, like Road of heroes: https://gamebanana.com/mods/433454 since years already. Right clicking audios spammed is a bug fixed up in Starcraft 1, and alternating control groups with the unit sounds is fixed up just in Starcraft 2.
-Peasants have a small mismatch on frames position. When chopping wood, they seem to move a bit off which does NOT happen with base game sprite.
- Main folder from War2remaster actually has a big sub-folder called Data, which works EXACTLY THE SAME as MY MODS or the ones from Ed gorod. Only a suspicion but Blizzard may have stolen work from Ed in mods since like 2019 and apparently some of the work from @fois in Widescreen program for War2Combat.
-3x the cost I used to have for buying Starcraft 1 remaster in 2017, which is fairly MORE COMPLEX than War2.
Make your own conclusions if this information ever was useful to you, or just buy the game and check that out for yourself if its worthy.
Maybe useful links:
>> features being exposed by Blizzard Entertainment
>> First playthrough in Warcraft 2 Remaster
We have been doing stuff alongside Ed gorod and some other Russian community members for free all of these years since 2019. Mainly thanks to Ed gorod that Warcraft 2 capabilities and limitations have been greatly expanded since then. If you like more my content or the one from Ed gorod, please support our content if you think the content being addressed by Blizzard Entertainment is not enough.
If you think my mods or the ones from Ed are not good enough, please then feel free to support the official release being launched by Blizzard Entertainment.
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Man this sucks I was hoping blizzard would fix the balance or make it interesting instead of the lame mirror factions we have that could have signaled the end of my mod before it even started , kek could have just cancelled the whole thing nope instead I still have to make actually new balance doing what blizzard SHOULD DO .
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its another cash grab just like GoG i think
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What a shame I really hoped for better pathfinding.
What about warcraft 1? Is it any better?
I will just wait till these get pirated and then get them no money for blizz , ez
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I dont belive they will fix any issue, its just warcraft 2 remaster tides of darkness instead remaster battle.net, I have no clue why they didnt do like SC
custom maps are dead atm, you cant download map
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Honestly the fact they give players the option to remove the fog of war really makes me not want to play on it again until that feature is removed.
Maybe in the future our war2 dev's can integrate the new graphics with our war2combat. A guy can dream right? lol.
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I dont belive they will fix any issue, its just warcraft 2 remaster tides of darkness instead remaster battle.net, I have no clue why they didnt do like SC
custom maps are dead atm, you cant download map
I guess it’s cause Blizzard doesn’t have any interest in improving war2 multiplayer.
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If anyone encounters any other bugs besides what's noted here, please let me know.
1) No chat channels/lobby
2) Multiplayer maps aren't working/not available
--workaround by pasting maps in every folder seems to work
3) Settings are not saved when launching maps
4) No countdown to launch - 5 4 3 2 1 (even bnet had this)
5) Can't set observers in game or lobbies
6) No ally/vision panel in game
7) Mouse slowness/weirdness
8) Right clicks in fog don't display X
9) No map preview in multiplayer
10) Users without maps don't download maps automatically
11) UI menu sliders don't work well, takes multiple clicks to move
12) Game speeds are not shown by their names - Fastest, Even Faster, Faster etc
13)No ability to put passwords on multiplayer lobbbies (this has been a thing for 25 years)
14) Host can't set teams
15) Host can't set observers
16) No Lag popup in multiplayer - game just freezes and players drop
17) No custom multiplayer modes - tvb, melee, use map settings etc
18) No lag indicator in Lobby
19) Black hasn't been replaced with another color - too hard to see
20) Skeletons don't despawn after a set amount of time - they should
21) Spellcasters show all of their spells even when not researched, many users dont like this
22) Mouse icon doesn't change to magnifying glass when selecting buildings/units like it should (video clip below of what it should do)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRdv9OwK5NA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRdv9OwK5NA#)
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Blizzard forum full of complaints…
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/blizzard/c/warcraft-ii/31
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KHB, add "Built in Maphack" to your list lmfao. There's an option to disable fog and when you do, you can see enemies anywhere you've scouted.
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When you disable fog of war does it do it for all players or just you? This option has always existed pregame
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Just for you and it's never existed in multiplayer where you could see enemy units without needing to scout them ;) I paid 15 bux for a game with a builtin maphack heh.
There is one plus I guess. If you turn off fog, you will eventually drop as you reveal players. The more players you reveal with a scout, the more likely you are to drop and when you drop, the players you reveal become CPUs. It's weird. I tried watching with Fog off and as soon as I reveal everyone, they all turn into CPUs and then eventually the game just lags out. So this pretty much renders fog off as a maphack as ineffective. All it will do is get you dropped ;)
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Lobby does look cool. Hopefully KHB's list gets used. He use to be a QA for Blizzard so maybe he's got the connections to actually get something done.
Starcrafts remaster has a 1vs1 ranked mode. Would be cool to get that as well.
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Didn't the original game also had an option with fog of war removed ? Is it bugged now? Lol
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I dont belive they will fix any issue, its just warcraft 2 remaster tides of darkness instead remaster battle.net, I have no clue why they didnt do like SC
custom maps are dead atm, you cant download map
I guess it’s cause Blizzard doesn’t have any interest in improving war2 multiplayer.
Yes it will be awesome game for singleplayer
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The health bars being visible is a nice touch for healing with paladins you don't have to guess or memorize who is low on HP way way smoother.
Also it helps with focus fire , maybe they will update the game more
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CAn we remake this like we did with war2. Like war2combat remasterd xD ?
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Fog of war will be patched today
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraft3/comments/1gqqexh/warcraft_2_remaster_already_messed_up_read_comment/&ved=2ahUKEwiYiY7_29yJAxVaxAIHHVGeIgsQr4kDegUIjAEQAA&usg=AOvVaw12xdQX3VhdO945__rvYbzb (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraft3/comments/1gqqexh/warcraft_2_remaster_already_messed_up_read_comment/&ved=2ahUKEwiYiY7_29yJAxVaxAIHHVGeIgsQr4kDegUIjAEQAA&usg=AOvVaw12xdQX3VhdO945__rvYbzb)
Ok this is quite a funny mistake they forgot that nerzhul was introduced in beyond the dark portal instead they placed his picture in the tides of darkness XD its a little detail but like come on do you not even know your own lore? And when you originally introduced certain characters?
Also another tiny detail I noticed is grunts lack the second shoulder pad in the remaster art , in the game grunts have 2 shoulder pads it will only be in wc3 that grunts were made to look more primitive by removing the 2nd shoulder pad and the armor protecting a part of the chest
https://youtu.be/Vw14Kj6xkEg?si=RW86AVy-ToBP-6_P (https://youtu.be/Vw14Kj6xkEg?si=RW86AVy-ToBP-6_P)
Noticed it by looking at this thumbnail
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CAn we remake this like we did with war2. Like war2combat remasterd xD ?
I asked fois about it, old w2 is 8-bit new w2 is 32-bit so no xd
Fog of war will be patched today
confirmed locked
(https://i.ibb.co/q137pLH/2.png) (https://ibb.co/GP4nRfZ)
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Surely blizzard/anyone working on warcraft 2 knows about this community, right?
if not, they shouldnt be touching warcraft 2.
if they know about the community, they should be asking how t.f. to do remastered correctly.
... weve been playing this shit for 28 years and a lot of people in the community have done awesome shit for the game.
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Surely blizzard/anyone working on warcraft 2 knows about this community, right?
if not, they shouldnt be touching warcraft 2.
if they know about the community, they should be asking how t.f. to do remastered correctly.
... weve been playing this shit for 28 years and a lot of people in the community have done awesome shit for the game.
They made remaster w2 as remaster aoe1/aoe2 no chat there is also, you dont know how many players are in lobby, how many games are played atm
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Fog of war will be patched today
You da man
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Aoe2 got very good remaster in fact I would say the best of RTS remasters is aoe2 with new content every now and then heck a new DLC has been released I think about ancient Greece and persia they collaborated with a mod team for it.
We can't compare man , aoe2 got so much care and love compared to the RTS of warcraft looks like Microsoft did blizzard RTS dirty.
Did the game get patched? Lets hope they don't just leave the game like this its a golden opportunity to work more on warcraft 2 polish gameplay missions make regeneration viable , you know nerf bloodlust , add autocast I don't know how much coding it would take to do all this but if they are asking for 15$ over this it BETTER be worth every cent
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Aoe2 maybe got good remaster as a game, but bad as multiplayer, you dont know how much players sit at lobby, you cant talk with them, you had to use it external programs like discord with is bad and they did same for w2
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Aoe2 maybe got good remaster as a game, but bad as multiplayer, you dont know how much players sit at lobby, you cant talk with them, you had to use it external programs like discord with is bad and they did same for w2
You can't talk with players?? Lol what aoe2 did you play? I remember spamming taunt 14 and 11 most of the time we were in lobby , also not good MP? It has an Esport scene with constant updates to ensure underpowered civilisations get buffed its all round awesome remaster
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Nice review by admiral he voices some issues with the remaster take a look guys.
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Can you change the language of the game? Does it change the audio as well?
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This is what a noob with 3 million followers looks like when playing War2 and having claimed to have played it before. Dude says "Send him to the mine, o wait, thats not a mine thats a farm, Im a fucking idiot". I cant stand this assclown, but he does have a lot of followers and a lot of people watched this stream. It was rather humorous when he kept clickin on the otter and then it just spontaneously exploded. The chat went apeshit. The progression from complete pre-pre-noob to pre-noob just goes to show the campaigns truly did their job in teaching how the game economy and tech works.
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For those that arent aware, there's another maphack'ish bug in the remastered version. Fixed order. In a 2v2, the spots will be 4/5/6/8 with each player getting a random spot. So if you're 4/6, you know the other 2 are 5/8. It's rather retarded. So the only "fair" game is a 4v4. Brett pointed this out to me. I hadnt noticed because most of the games I played were all 4v4.
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Yea the fixed order is a bad thing and need fix asap.
However if you play another maps this became less important
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However if you play another maps this became less important
Erm, no it doesn't. It's a problem on ALL maps. It doesnt affect just gow lol. HSC, FOC, maze, AYN, they all have the same exact problem. A maphack is a maphack is a maphack. Fixed order is essentially a maphack in a different form and it's affect doesn't get mitigated simply because you change maps.
In fact it gets WORSE because most people won't know the map which gives those that DO know the map fixed order positions a MAJOR advantage. That advantage is lessened the more people know the map. Your answer to use a different map is like a "I'm going to say I'm an idiot without actually saying I'm an idiot" type of answer lol.
The only map not affected by this are the tiny 2-4player maps such as NWTR, xmarks, etc where people would know where you are anyway by way of map design. And those are ALWAYS gimmick maps. NWTR included and thus boring.
The other problem is that this version also suffers from level hacks, spell hacks, building hacks, and maphacks because all the data is still client side rather than server side. Anyone with a memory altering app can hack this to pieces. The old DOS version hacks all work on this version with a few location changes.
Dellam would feel right at home with this one, especially since there is no build in screenshot, recording, or banning player capabilities. In its current state, it's only designed for campaign play.
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Thanks for agree with me.
As I said fixed order is a problem and must be fixed.
Yes other maps makes less important than gow bne where is instant build with Mill/towers.
Less important doesn’t mean is not important .
Don’t need to be rude .
Cheers
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Quote from: Dudakurten on Today at 03:17:47 AM
However if you play another maps this became less important
Erm, no it doesn't.
Thanks for agree with me.
LOLz.