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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: foonat on May 02, 2016, 02:32:54 PM
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Can anyone explain why we have a double click macro available for download in utilities?
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I remember thinking just last night that I noticed everyone seems to be lusting way faster than I ever remember. This may be part of the reason why.
To answer your question though: I think it's because the site is operated by a customs player.
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Hacks!!!
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hey foonat whats up
yes if one were to use that utility they would be cheating. therefore i can only assume whoever put that link online actually was uploading a trojan so we could track and bust cheaters
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Crap, I guess I'm a filthy cheater then. :o I never knew it was disallowed, I thought all custom players use it.
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Oh I guess swift was right in his answer, and I was wrong
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Oh I guess swift was right in his answer, and I was wrong
I always wondered how the fuck they lust so fast now in gow... I always knew it was something.
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You don't need a macro to lust decently.....
Anyways can be detected if somebody is streaming anyways...
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I'd say allow it. Most people have the ability to customize a button on their Mouse anyway. I don't use the double click button but I see everyone else using it.
Im about 99% sure viruz has been using it for years, among some other gow/ef players. it's pretty obvious just watching games.
and yes LB.. you do need a button designated for double click, or the macro to lust that fast... if you didn't, nobody would be doing it.
Go watch 00joe's stream, mouse's stream or any of viruz' replays and tell me if you can tell they're not actually doing the "B click click B click click" sequence when they lust.
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That fast, but you don't need it to lust decently well. I played a few classic maps without it yesterday n it was fine really, it's much more important for custom maps where you're hemorrhoging ogres. And it is pretty easy to see if someone's using it as long as there's warvid/stream/watchers.
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I think ur underestimating the scenario where someone unlusted encounters a group of lusted ogres.. the amount of time it takes to lust up with the double click is definitely a huge advantage for GOW ef players.
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There's a replay of viruz lusting while on the run and it's insane how fast he does it. Insane if you're not using double click any way... the ability to do that wins games against someone who can't do it when the game is fairly close.
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I'm pretty sure Viruz has a button designated for "Click+O" also ... all he has to do is click on a barracks with that button and an ogre gets auto made.
anyone ever heard of anyone doing that? like archers or bhg games?
just watching his games it seems pretty obvious to me. you can see it around 6:40 as well as many other places.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1z9oBqVhQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1z9oBqVhQ)
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You can use the hotkey "O" to make an ogre at the barracks. It is this that I believe Viruz does.
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i realize this.. but is it possible to do it so quickly (and consistently) it appears as if you're simply clicking barracks without typing O
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if i did not realize you could type the hotkey O for ogre.. do you think i would have assumed that viruz using a button designated for "click + O" was a possiblity?
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hey foonat whats up
yes if one were to use that utility they would be cheating. therefore i can only assume whoever put that link online actually was uploading a trojan so we could track and bust cheaters
except you knew that wasnt the case at all when you typed that possible "trojan" scenario ... stop being passive aggressive ya little shit
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actually i just thought that'd be a more fun & light-hearted thing to say than "omg shit, take it down now." heres a secret though i also knew you knew what the O hotkey is and just think your viruz macro theory is dumb
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like i was watching the video and there were many times i saw him click on a barracks and then saw the Ogre butan get indented and how long do you think it takes to press a button anyway
the actual macros that exist for custom players are ones that select all their barrackses and train from all of them
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There's a replay of viruz lusting while on the run and it's insane how fast he does it. Insane if you're not using double click any way... the ability to do that wins games against someone who can't do it when the game is fairly close.
There is a replay (warvid) of swift doing it and AFAI can tell, there are no macros involved, just mouse skills...
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obv it doesnt take long to type O ... but it doesnt take long to click twice either.
a button that will click twice for you gives you an edge
a button that types O (or A for archers) as soon as you click is faster than Click+o or Click+a
not sure if you ever played archers, or had like 6-7 rax in gow/ef, but it's pretty easy to get going so quick that you miss units because you're just rolling through hitting click+a click+a click+a but sometimes might mistype the A or O
so you got 6 or so rax, but maybe only averaging 5 units each go around because you misclick on one of the raxes
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like i was watching the video and there were many times i saw him click on a barracks and then saw the Ogre butan get indented and how long do you think it takes to press a button anyway
the actual macros that exist for custom players are ones that select all their barrackses and train from all of them
Its time to add macros to the antihack.
Now I think of it almost all players who gow use this. I was always like there is no way to list that fast without help. I would like you to go through my games log and remove all my losses from gow please and thanks. I just started trying to learn the damn map now fuck it.
I'm gonna have to make a damn pixel reading macro so I can have auto heal with my palis seems fair now.....
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There's a replay of viruz lusting while on the run and it's insane how fast he does it. Insane if you're not using double click any way... the ability to do that wins games against someone who can't do it when the game is fairly close.
There is a replay (warvid) of swift doing it and AFAI can tell, there are no macros involved, just mouse skills...
AFAU can tell... is it mouse skills here or double click?
https://www.twitch.tv/00joew2/v/62692116 (https://www.twitch.tv/00joew2/v/62692116) @ 24:50
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Jade and I tested DC's effectiveness a few times in bgh game when we would line up ~90 ogres and each of race to lust, with myself not using it. If I recall correctly, I would consistently lust around 78 ogres in the time she lusted around 90.
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There's a replay of viruz lusting while on the run and it's insane how fast he does it. Insane if you're not using double click any way... the ability to do that wins games against someone who can't do it when the game is fairly close.
There is a replay (warvid) of swift doing it and AFAI can tell, there are no macros involved, just mouse skills...
AFAU can tell... is it mouse skills here or double click?
https://www.twitch.tv/00joew2/v/62692116 (https://www.twitch.tv/00joew2/v/62692116) @ 24:50
There is no way fucking way!!! To lust that fast without 3rd party programs.
Think of it like this watch when people sends brand new waves all lused up but you know those were new orge mages so to get the max lust they need more mana or that's more orge they have to toggle through and he's going to toggle slower. You can't deceive this unless you cheat with macro.
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its double click but he doesnt try to deny it. i thought more people probably used it but i just looked at Szwag, startale, and player's twitch and they all use regular single click mouse to double click.. braviet says he doesn't use it and i believe him because he's slow @ lusting when you compare him to someone who does use double click.
i just designated one of the buttons on my mouse to double click and i noticed another huge advantage.. say you want to highlight a group of 9 peons, grunts, dks, ogres, or whatever ... you typically double click on one of them and it highlights the nearest other 8 similar units closest to the one you double clicked on... well if the units you're trying to highlight are moving sometimes it's difficult to accurately double click on one to get the rest highlighted. the double click button makes it a whole lot easier. you only have to accurately click the moving unit one time with the double click button
its a cool little feature to use if you learn to get comfortable with it
but yeah.. pretty much all new mice that come with more than just 2 buttons and a wheel are capable of modifying the extra buttons .. you're not gonna stop people from using double click even if you remove the file from the en.war2.ru site. might as well make it accessable to everyone.
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its double click but he doesnt try to deny it. i thought more people probably used it but i just looked at Szwag, startale, and player's twitch and they all use regular single click mouse to double click.. braviet says he doesn't use it and i believe him because he's slow @ lusting when you compare him to someone who does use double click.
i just designated one of the buttons on my mouse to double click and i noticed another huge advantage.. say you want to highlight a group of 9 peons, grunts, dks, ogres, or whatever ... you typically double click on one of them and it highlights the nearest other 8 similar units closest to the one you double clicked on... well if the units you're trying to highlight are moving sometimes it's difficult to accurately double click on one to get the rest highlighted. the double click button makes it a whole lot easier. you only have to accurately click the moving unit one time with the double click button
its a cool little feature to use if you learn to get comfortable with it
but yeah.. pretty much all new mice that come with more than just 2 buttons and a wheel are capable of modifying the extra buttons .. you're not gonna stop people from using double click even if you remove the file from the en.war2.ru site. might as well make it accessable to everyone.
Your right so all they do technically is move mouse to next orge... and trigger macro.
I can stop people from cheating I have a good idea. If iL dosent add something to antihack to catch these then I will release a standalone program. It will record the type in between mouse clicks, keys pressed and log them with the mili seconds recorded. Idk I can do something.
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well if the units you're trying to highlight are moving sometimes it's difficult to accurately double click on one to get the rest highlighted. the double click button makes it a whole lot easier. you only have to accurately click the moving unit one time with the double click button
it's actually easy/simple to consistently click a moving unit twice
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Its actually possible to be to fast and it wouldn't register naughty macro users :p and ud have to be in the correct formation ;) ya I heard about the pixel thing before but idk I'm sure sc1 sc2 has tried...still way less a. Than seeing the map goodjob stopping that one 8)
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I'm pretty sure Viruz has a button designated for "Click+O" also ... all he has to do is click on a barracks with that button and an ogre gets auto made.
anyone ever heard of anyone doing that? like archers or bhg games?
just watching his games it seems pretty obvious to me. you can see it around 6:40 as well as many other places.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1z9oBqVhQ[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy1z9oBqVhQ[/url])
That looks more like a recording artifact to me. I've noticed something similar in my vids when doing upgrades with hotkeys or placing buildings, just doesn't get captured sometimes for whatever reason. His lusting looks legit in that vid too. Joe on the other hand is clearly using the double click. :D
I agree though that it's bad form to use it in a competitive match if your opponent isn't. Custom players don't seem to care much in my experience, when it comes up they're usually like "Wow, how you lust so fast? [...] Cool, where can I download it?!"
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"Wow, how you lust so fast? [...] Cool, where can I download it?!"
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There's a replay of viruz lusting while on the run and it's insane how fast he does it. Insane if you're not using double click any way... the ability to do that wins games against someone who can't do it when the game is fairly close.
There is a replay (warvid) of swift doing it and AFAI can tell, there are no macros involved, just mouse skills...
AFAU can tell... is it mouse skills here or double click?
https://www.twitch.tv/00joew2/v/62692116 (https://www.twitch.tv/00joew2/v/62692116) @ 24:50
I have replays (WARINSIGHT) of me 'insta' blood lusting 9 oggies when I infact, used regular mouse with no hacks at all. It happened in lagged games just at the exact time I was lusting my oggies and to insight, it recorded as an insta lusting....I will look for the replay(s) if I can find it and post it.
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its double click but he doesnt try to deny it. i thought more people probably used it but i just looked at Szwag, startale, and player's twitch and they all use regular single click mouse to double click.. braviet says he doesn't use it and i believe him because he's slow @ lusting when you compare him to someone who does use double click.
i just designated one of the buttons on my mouse to double click and i noticed another huge advantage.. say you want to highlight a group of 9 peons, grunts, dks, ogres, or whatever ... you typically double click on one of them and it highlights the nearest other 8 similar units closest to the one you double clicked on... well if the units you're trying to highlight are moving sometimes it's difficult to accurately double click on one to get the rest highlighted. the double click button makes it a whole lot easier. you only have to accurately click the moving unit one time with the double click button
its a cool little feature to use if you learn to get comfortable with it
but yeah.. pretty much all new mice that come with more than just 2 buttons and a wheel are capable of modifying the extra buttons .. you're not gonna stop people from using double click even if you remove the file from the en.war2.ru site. might as well make it accessable to everyone.
maybe the worst argument of all time
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agree
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swift and viruz don't use macros. swift doesn't even hotkey his buildings, i'm pretty sure they're 100% mouse just like me
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There havThere's a replay of viruz lusting while on the run and it's insane how fast he does it. Insane if you're not using double click any way... the ability to do that wins games against someone who can't do it when the game is fairly close.
There is a replay (warvid) of swift doing it and AFAI can tell, there are no macros involved, just mouse skills...
AFAU can tell... is it mouse skills here or double click?
https://www.twitch.tv/00joew2/v/62692116 (https://www.twitch.tv/00joew2/v/62692116) @ 24:50
I have replays (WARINSIGHT) of me 'insta' blood lusting 9 oggies when I infact, used regular mouse with no hacks at all. It happened in lagged games just at the exact time I was lusting my oggies and to insight, it recorded as an insta lusting....I will look for the replay(s) if I can find it and post it.
well
That lag or slow Game speed will make you cast spells faster.
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its double click but he doesnt try to deny it. i thought more people probably used it but i just looked at Szwag, startale, and player's twitch and they all use regular single click mouse to double click.. braviet says he doesn't use it and i believe him because he's slow @ lusting when you compare him to someone who does use double click.
i just designated one of the buttons on my mouse to double click and i noticed another huge advantage.. say you want to highlight a group of 9 peons, grunts, dks, ogres, or whatever ... you typically double click on one of them and it highlights the nearest other 8 similar units closest to the one you double clicked on... well if the units you're trying to highlight are moving sometimes it's difficult to accurately double click on one to get the rest highlighted. the double click button makes it a whole lot easier. you only have to accurately click the moving unit one time with the double click button
its a cool little feature to use if you learn to get comfortable with it
but yeah.. pretty much all new mice that come with more than just 2 buttons and a wheel are capable of modifying the extra buttons .. you're not gonna stop people from using double click even if you remove the file from the en.war2.ru site. might as well make it accessable to everyone.
maybe the worst argument of all time
there is nothing better than listening to someone who plays war2 2 weeks bi-yearly weigh in on issues within the community.
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agree
there is only one thing better than listening to someone who only plays war2 less than 30 days in a year weigh in on issues within the community.... a person who only plays war2 2 weeks bi-yearly
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I know of a few people, in this thread who are commenting that used this in GOW games on RU. It's cheating. Just like making Alters whilst stronghold
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Shotgun maybe you could find some time to stream some of your games? You are about the only player whom I've never seen a warvideo/stream....
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Yeah I am curious to see a stream from
Shotgun while he is playing braviet, swift, or viruz.
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i dont think i've ever seen a warvid from SG.
not saying it doesn't exist.. just never seen one.
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Shotgun maybe you could find some time to stream some of your games? You are about the only player whom I've never seen a warvideo/stream....
I'll set it up for you. pm mousetopher @ server
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I think shotgun has streamed from his aka Xelek.
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I know of a few people, in this thread who are commenting that used this in GOW games on RU. It's cheating. Just like making Alters whilst stronghold
yes. and tk just because i/blid don't play all that often anymore doesn't mean our opinion is worth any less than yours lol king of retard logic
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ofc it does. it's offensive. "i dont really play this game, but here's how i think you should handle manners within the community i dont actively participate in"
... ok boss.
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by that logic the only opinions that matter are from tk[as] and spbwar
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*braviet spb
i only play a few hours a week.. but it's a lot more than a few hours every couple months or years.
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So are we considering this cheating?
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So are we considering this cheating?
Of course it is cheating.
Bullshit like this reminds me of cheating done on Diablo II to break FCR/MB etc. points on characters for PvP duels.
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So are we considering this cheating?
Yeah, but only on classics, for customs it's okay :D Or specifically just bgh n/a :D Just share it with everyone when they ask how you lust so fast and it's fine.
But in a way it's kind of like saying voice chat is a hack since it's 3rd party software that does give a slight advantage over opponents (instant communication vs time spent typing). Should we outlaw that as well with unenforceable bans?
btw everyone check out Discord! (http://en.war2.ru/discord)
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So are we considering this cheating?
Yeah, but only on classics, for customs it's okay :D Or specifically just bgh n/a :D Just share it with everyone when they ask how you lust so fast and it's fine.
But in a way it's kind of like saying voice chat is a hack since it's 3rd party software that does give a slight advantage over opponents (instant communication vs time spent typing). Should we outlaw that as well with unenforceable bans?
btw everyone check out Discord! ([url]http://en.war2.ru/discord[/url])
that is a poor comparison. this is a utility that literally plays part of the game for you. ban
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So are we considering this cheating?
Yeah, but only on classics, for customs it's okay :D Or specifically just bgh n/a :D Just share it with everyone when they ask how you lust so fast and it's fine.
But in a way it's kind of like saying voice chat is a hack since it's 3rd party software that does give a slight advantage over opponents (instant communication vs time spent typing). Should we outlaw that as well with unenforceable bans?
btw everyone check out Discord! ([url]http://en.war2.ru/discord[/url])
that is a poor comparison. this is a utility that literally plays part of the game for you. ban
I actually agree with this dipshit here.
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So are we considering this cheating?
Yeah, but only on classics, for customs it's okay :D Or specifically just bgh n/a :D Just share it with everyone when they ask how you lust so fast and it's fine.
But in a way it's kind of like saying voice chat is a hack since it's 3rd party software that does give a slight advantage over opponents (instant communication vs time spent typing). Should we outlaw that as well with unenforceable bans?
btw everyone check out Discord! ([url]http://en.war2.ru/discord[/url])
that is a poor comparison. this is a utility that literally plays part of the game for you. ban
Great comparison especially taking into consideration on how we could detect this type of cheating.
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that is a poor comparison. this is a utility that literally plays part of the game for you. ban
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So are we considering this cheating?
Yeah, but only on classics, for customs it's okay :D Or specifically just bgh n/a :D Just share it with everyone when they ask how you lust so fast and it's fine.
But in a way it's kind of like saying voice chat is a hack since it's 3rd party software that does give a slight advantage over opponents (instant communication vs time spent typing). Should we outlaw that as well with unenforceable bans?
btw everyone check out Discord! ([url]http://en.war2.ru/discord[/url])
if some1 want play bgh n/a got no chance vs player who got it, let s play all with maphack it will be fair -_-
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Let's discuss again after there is more than 1 bgh no air game player per month, okay??!
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Let's discuss again after there is more than 1 bgh no air game player per month, okay??!
Well there is a bgh game in the featival. So I would like this matter resovled before it begins.
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There is absolutely no reason to have it. You have it to get an edge on someone who doesn't have it. Hence hacking and why people do it.
If everyone map hacked, it would become 100% ineffective. The game would just change. There is no advantage nor reason to even do it besides keeping up with everyone else, so that you're not at a disadvantage.
I'm not sure how this is even a discussion quiet honestly.
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i get what you guys are saying about it being difficult to detect. but, i don't think that's a good reason to, in effect, sanction the use of the hack by having it up in the utilities section of the website. having the official server policy state that you should not use the hack would be a good deterrent even if the only policing might be players refusing to play against people that they suspect are using it.
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i get what you guys are saying about it being difficult to detect. but, i don't think that's a good reason to, in effect, sanction the use of the hack by having it up in the utilities section of the website. having the official server policy state that you should not use the hack would be a good deterrent even if the only policing might be players refusing to play against people that they suspect are using it.
There is not enough members to be picking and choosing people now a days. You get who joins unless you want to wait 3 hours. Plus if we act like that then it would stop honest people from using it and the other users would be taken advantage of.
1. Maybe useful for a handicapped person.
2. It's very common even dellam can design one.
3. Could be very useful and extend game play with custom maps, etc.
4. It was already public on downloads lol.
5. This has been a problem for years in freecastles maps.
I'd say sure allow it because hardware can be purchased for these purposes and would you ban somebody because they clicked an extra mouse button? I would rethink that decision.
I think we should have a set of macros or program to be available for download and everyone has. Must be approved and easily for every user to understand.
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So much probleme with those custom players, how the hell they all need to fucking hack.
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it's lowkey cheating that people hadnt realized was cheating because it's minor enough they never gave two thoughts about it. but if the map requires you to double click then just double click. using a third party function to double click faster, get an edge over people that dont, because you just think double clicking is boring etc, isnt fair. (though it may not be done maliciously. people may not really realize it. with a maphack usually people know damn well they're cheating, though even then some customs players dont get it lol)
i would recommend at least saying it's not allowed and not endorsing it by hosting a tool on the downloads page
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Dude shut the Hell up, lowkey cheating people dint realize.
They fucking know it's cheating, and you fucking know they fucking know, your just a fucking bad admin as everyone, i told it since 2 years now, most of your stupid staff are hacking dude.
Lightbringer-, mousetopher and iL, probably you too since you let it happen and have no spin dorsal.
Fucking stupid lazy hacking staff, and you guys ask yourself why that server have never live.
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Let's discuss again after there is more than 1 bgh no air game player per month, okay??!
this is not no argument, its the same between FASTEST games and EVEN FASTER, if u cant control units, production etc play with slower speed,
like sg said "some1 is using in gow old" its very fair game between 2 guys (one using one not) -_-
if the map requires you to double click then just double click.
i hope it was trolling, many time in gow it would easier lust 2 groups ogres
That mean map is to hard for players if they need double click
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it's lowkey cheating that people hadnt realized was cheating because it's minor enough they never gave two thoughts about it. but if the map requires you to double click then just double click. using a third party function to double click faster, get an edge over people that dont, because you just think double clicking is boring etc, isnt fair. (though it may not be done maliciously. people may not really realize it. with a maphack usually people know damn well they're cheating, though even then some customs players dont get it lol)
i would recommend at least saying it's not allowed and not endorsing it by hosting a tool on the downloads page
agreed - can we make that happen pls
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if the map requires you to double click then just double click.
i hope it was trolling, many time in gow it would easier lust 2 groups ogres
That mean map is to hard for players if they need double click
It's not trolling but i don't think you read it right. I am saying if you need to double click at some point, you should actually click twice.
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fiiiine, gone from downloads.
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Im not fucking proud of you right now mousetopher, you where going so good lately, dont make me reconsider my tought.
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They fucking know it's cheating
you literally think you're not cheating when you're using them, and you've been using them for 15 years now
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Im not fucking proud of you right now mousetopher, you where going so good lately, dont make me reconsider my tought.
Lmfao
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dumbest shit ever. took a tool away from custom users that really enjoy using the tool for their map.
... not to mention how retarded it is spending so much time focusing on this silly shit when you should be focusing on "um hey, server fucked.. how do we get more users here?"
couple high school drama queens in this thread .. cant believe this was 1) brought up and 2) being discussed thoroughly on a dead fucking server
holy fuck
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You're right TK, fuck integrity. Let's just sell out and let people do anything they want!
Plain and simple, if it didn't come with the game and it effects game performance, it is a hack. If we want to make special rules for custom players, it would be very difficult to do and monitor. Aren't part of some of those custom games just speed anyways?
For the record, I've noticed people lusting much faster than me for a while now and I just didn't know such a thing existed at the time. I lust pretty fast as it is since I've been doing it LEGIT for years, haha.
Also, TK and Dellam, let's get off this stupid band wagon notion that anything we do that is not about HELPING THE SERVER get more people here is a waste of time. That is illogical and just plain dumb. It's not like we have some defined big project everyone should be working on right now and people are busy doing this instead and it's taking up just tons and tons of hours. It's probably that or someone is watching TV instead.
A vote wouldn't be a terrible idea. Have the bot msg people to vote and press "1" or "2". After a week, take the toll and see where we are at. Need to determine what the parameters are first though.
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Im not fucking proud of you right now mousetopher, you where going so good lately, dont make me reconsider my tought.
b-but I removed it..! There's just no pleasing you 'nox! :'(
The more I think about it the more indefensible hosting/using the double click becomes. Usa-archer made the same argument in favor of hosting maphack on his site - specific people like to use it on a specific map, you need it to be competitive on that map because most other players use it, using it is only condoned in specific circumstances, etc. But it's not "needed", it just allows for lazier playing. And the solution to maphack is not to give everyone maphack. If the game requires two clicks to lust ogres in sequence then that's what you have to do. So we shouldn't host it on the site for the same reason we shouldn't host maphack.
If players all agree in advance to use it though then that's fine, but in that case let them distribute it amongst themselves.
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No vote needed. I agree with blid and have decided it's not allowed and we wont endorse it by hosting it as a tool on the downloads page.
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I would just make a rule to mention in game name.
MAC: BGH
I've did some coding with them for test purposes. They are very nasty lol
I'm talking 9 mages blizzard at once filling the whole screen with blizzard, instantly lusting 18 orgemage, same for all spells... 18 hasted units....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDYjSSiQdkU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDYjSSiQdkU)
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You gotta close the thread after you say that ;)
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dumbest shit ever. took a tool away from custom users that really enjoy using the tool for their map.
... not to mention how retarded it is spending so much time focusing on this silly shit when you should be focusing on "um hey, server fucked.. how do we get more users here?"
couple high school drama queens in this thread .. cant believe this was 1) brought up and 2) being discussed thoroughly on a dead fucking server
holy fuck
A Literal Retard