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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: warbandit on February 21, 2016, 10:37:20 AM
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apparently ladder is not working i have tried to play ladder matches to improve my overall ranking but it is not updating at all waht do we do to fix it?
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or a way to repair it so it updates properly?
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Which ladder you talking about the one on the pvpgn server or the website version?
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he means the pvgn
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he means the pvgn
Yes okay i agree we should be using that and your admin /updateladder command or what ever. I think they stopped that system because of winbots... but i do miss checking that in the old days.
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That ladder system was total trash and we're better off with it not working. Only way to make its existence worthwhile is if it showed the ladder.war2.ru rankings which would actually be pretty cool, but if it wants to do the garbage default ranking system it's more harm than help - all it does is encourage people to newb bash and bot and the rankings themselves are totally meaningless and signify no actual accomplishment.
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That ladder system was total trash and we're better off with it not working. Only way to make its existence worthwhile is if it showed the ladder.war2.ru rankings which would actually be pretty cool, but if it wants to do the garbage default ranking system it's more harm than help - all it does is encourage people to newb bash and bot and the rankings themselves are totally meaningless and signify no actual accomplishment.
well at least they are playing and of course it would need admin maintenance.
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The only games people play because of that ladder are winbot games and newb bashing games.
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The only games people play because of that ladder are winbot games and newb bashing games.
Sounds like there is gaming activity though why kill the vibe? If you need help cleaning the ladder on pvpgn let me know we can figure out something. Winbot to easily detected.
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You are just wrong. Any rankings that ladder puts out are guaranteed to be meaningless, and it's like a bug zapping light that functions to do nothing but draw in abusers. It is actively harmful to the community and has been for years.
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You're just wrong. Any rankings that ladder puts out are guaranteed to be meaningless, and it's like a bug zapping light that functions to do nothing but draw in abusers. It is actively harmful to the community and has been for years.
With this type of attitude no wonder i can't even get a game on weekend. How long you been here? You're so negative. Damn whats so hard with keeping it simple on the pvpgn for certain people with little maintenance.
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I apologize for being strident about it, but we've known it's not good for a long time which is why it's turned off. I keep trying to tell you that it's off for a reason. But I will elaborate and I hope this explains it better for you. The way that it works when it's enabled is like this: Everyone ignores it, because the rankings it produces are stupid and worthless. Therefore it sits there unused with nobody paying it any mind, until some newbie or egotist notices it exists, and decides to bot/newb bash their way to the top. The only people that use it are scrubs looking to abuse. It is useless for real players because if they play real opponents, enough to lose a few games, they will be demoted substantially for those losses, while the abusers make sure they never lose and easily sit above the real players. It is bad. Even if all abusers are erased, the rankings are still bad. They still reward people for selectively only playing games they can win. It's just bad and encourages bad methods. And there is not "gaming activity" on it, there's one guy asking why it's off.
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This is known from years of experience of seeing it while it is on. The only way to turn it on with out it actively hurting the server is to change it, to make the ranking show the ladder.war2.ru rankings or to change the internal rating algorithm somehow to transform it from being net harmful to worthwhile. As is, it's best left off, I believe that very very strongly from seeing how it "works"
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I apologize for being strident about it, but we've known it's not good for a long time which is why it's turned off. I keep trying to tell you that it's off for a reason. But I will elaborate and I hope this explains it better for you. The way that it works when it's enabled is like this: Everyone ignores it, because the rankings it produces are stupid and worthless. Therefore it sits there unused with nobody paying it any mind, until some newbie or egotist notices it exists, and decides to bot/newb bash their way to the top. The only people that use it are scrubs looking to abuse. It is useless for real players because if they play real opponents, enough to lose a few games, they will be demoted substantially for those losses, while the abusers make sure they never lose and easily sit above the real players. It is bad. Even if all abusers are erased, the rankings are still bad. They still reward people for selectively only playing games they can win. It's just bad and encourages bad methods. And there is not "gaming activity" on it, there's one guy asking why it's off.
There we go makes a lot more sense now. You should let your experience show a little more...
This is known from years of experience of seeing it while it is on. The only way to turn it on with out it actively hurting the server is to change it, to make the ranking show the ladder.war2.ru rankings or to change the internal rating algorithm somehow to transform it from being net harmful to worthwhile. As is, it's best left off, I believe that very very strongly from seeing how it "works"
And this is why you wrote code for the online ladder?
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great server lol
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great server lol
Sure, blids an excellent programmer [emoji23]
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idk i haven't seen his code yet lol.
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I apologize for being strident about it, but we've known it's not good for a long time which is why it's turned off. I keep trying to tell you that it's off for a reason. But I will elaborate and I hope this explains it better for you. The way that it works when it's enabled is like this: Everyone ignores it, because the rankings it produces are stupid and worthless. Therefore it sits there unused with nobody paying it any mind, until some newbie or egotist notices it exists, and decides to bot/newb bash their way to the top. The only people that use it are scrubs looking to abuse. It is useless for real players because if they play real opponents, enough to lose a few games, they will be demoted substantially for those losses, while the abusers make sure they never lose and easily sit above the real players. It is bad. Even if all abusers are erased, the rankings are still bad. They still reward people for selectively only playing games they can win. It's just bad and encourages bad methods. And there is not "gaming activity" on it, there's one guy asking why it's off.
There we go makes a lot more sense now. You should let your experience show a little more...
This is known from years of experience of seeing it while it is on. The only way to turn it on with out it actively hurting the server is to change it, to make the ranking show the ladder.war2.ru rankings or to change the internal rating algorithm somehow to transform it from being net harmful to worthwhile. As is, it's best left off, I believe that very very strongly from seeing how it "works"
And this is why you wrote code for the online ladder?
Yep that's why I wrote the ladder.