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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: tk[as] on November 22, 2015, 12:28:33 PM
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First off. This question is for iL. Not blid, not mouse, not LB, or anyone else who thinks they have an answer. iL is the only one who can answer this and I would like for him to do so here so that everyone knows what's going on.
As I'm sure you know iL a group of war2 players including myself have been thinking very seriously about the possibility of starting a new server. We have started doing our research and have looked into different options and possibilities.
One thing is very clear, It would be much easier and most likely much more beneficial to the community if you were willing to sell server.war2.ru and everything that goes along with it rather than start a brand new server from scratch.
We would like to buy server.war2.ru.
Many of people who are interested in starting a new server are well respected members of the community. We will not suffer the same fate as war2custom did. The community will not be afraid to download our client because of who has access to it. If we do this, we are going to do it right... and the community will follow us because it will be obvious we are doing it for the right reasons.
I would assume selling server.war2.ru would be in your best interests. If you do not have any intentions of selling, we will still create our own client/server, it will just cost more.. but ultimately it will be done and the community will gradually switch to our server. I cant imagine you would have any interest in owning a server with no users on it... which is why i think it would be beneficial for you to sell server.war2.ru. You make some money. We save some money. The community gets rebuilt. It's a win-win for nearly everyone.
So the question is: How much would you be willing to sell the server/client and everything that goes along with it for?
Please repond when you get the opportunity to do so.
Thanks
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First off. This question is for iL. Not blid, not mouse, not LB, or anyone else who thinks they have an answer. iL is the only one who can answer this and I would like for him to do so here so that everyone knows what's going on.
As I'm sure you know iL a group of war2 players including myself have been thinking very seriously about the possibility of starting a new server. We have started doing our research and have looked into different options and possibilities.
One thing is very clear, It would be much easier and most likely much more beneficial to the community if you were willing to sell server.war2.ru and everything that goes along with it rather than start a brand new server from scratch.
We would like to buy server.war2.ru.
Many of people who are interested in starting a new server are well respected members of the community. We will not suffer the same fate as war2custom did. The community will not be afraid to download our client because of who has access to it. If we do this, we are going to do it right... and the community will follow us because it will be obvious we are doing it for the right reasons.
I would assume selling server.war2.ru would be in your best interests. If you do not have any intentions of selling, we will still create our own client/server, it will just cost more.. but ultimately it will be done and the community will gradually switch to our server. I cant imagine you would have any interest in owning a server with no users on it... which is why i think it would be beneficial for you to sell server.war2.ru. You make some money. We save some money. The community gets rebuilt. It's a win-win for nearly everyone.
So the question is: How much would you be willing to sell the server/client and everything that goes along with it for?
Please repond when you get the opportunity to do so.
Thanks
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That's why we have PMs you attention whore.
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That's why we have PMs you attention whore.
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That's why we have PMs you attention whore.
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iL does not respond to my PM's. dont you think i would have done that? yes? no? .. possibly?
apparently he doesnt respond to threads i make either.
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Just PM him, if he hasn't blocked you, he will at least read it.
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As i already said before, i have no plans to sell war2.ru. I'd even say, if you mean war2.ru community, i can't sell it, because community doesn't belong to me or to anyone else.
I also still don't understand what you plan to do with the server if you buy it.
Just to ban/unban people on your own judgement and to hope people will like that more than our team or anything else?
You have no experience for tech supporting the server, so you will ask Lance to be admin because there's no more people who can do that?
The community will not be afraid to download our client because of who has access to it.
Well, current client is being guaranteed by our current team as safe, if you buy the server and write your own client who will guarantee it's safe? Our team - won't.
If you do not have any intentions of selling, we will still create our own client/server, it will just cost more..
If your problem is to implement and configure the server similar with war2.ru, then i can make a copy of the existing one to you on your domain. You will have new empty server with the same configuration, the only problem will be to get our own community. That will save some money to do that yourself, i'll have some money to configure your server. Of course, we will not be interested to let you steal the existing community to your server anyway.
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I like the Russians. I feel like iL does a good job. He's implemented the anti hack, auto host and hosting prompts (which tell me I can't host even though i can lol ).
I don't understand what's so pressing that you think 30k in America will fix? The server sometimes takes a shit and slows down and the back up server doesn't always appear up but otherwise it's perfectly functional. The most pressing problem this game faces is the dwindling user base that is increasingly busy these days. A fkey that launches warvid or twitch streamed would be a cool way to attract users and teach newbies. And maybe clan icon templates attached to forum accounts that link to the server would be bad ass!!! Good job hunting ISIS!!! Putin managed to do something right for once!! =)
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i will respond to this after work today when i have more time
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tk, you need to accept responsibility for your actions. The reason we do not make you an admin is because you used to be one, but emotionally quit and spent months trashing everyone. You can't blame us for not making you admin after that. If there are other people you think would be good admins, I'm willing to listen as I always am, but trying to buy a server so you can do it would be plain silly if it weren't such a big financial outlay you're talking about, which actually makes it sort of reckless imo (if you actually ever did it)
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Please forget that stupid game tk and join chayliss and i on heroes of the storm.
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Please forget that stupid game tk and join chayliss and i on heroes of the storm.
Haha I think i would cry if w2 finally died. Part of my heart would be crushed. Not having ports auto forwarded is a huge problem Paper_Boy. I don't know the exact ratio, but often times it seems over half of the people can't create a game. Hmm...
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iL has already put in upnp in release 4.01
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,350.msg4075.html#msg4075 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,350.msg4075.html#msg4075)
this autoforwards ports for anyone with a modern router.
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For the record, if another server was to open up and the little community we have right now gets split, I will be out of there. I assume a decent amount of other people will be as well, given the lack of people available for games.
It can be difficult to get a game going in the first place, so splitting the community, in my opinion, will be terrible for the game. It's easy to say X, X, and X will leave so everyone will follow, but is that true? Will you only have experienced people and groups of friends go? Will there be a group of people who stick with IL and refuse to go?
As much as you want this new server, and for the record, I personally think this one is fine, just remember the big picture. For the greater good, sometimes the little have to suffer.
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if youre not interested in selling iL, there's really nothing else for us to talk about. if you change your mind in the near future let me know.
wangs.. you're right there will definitely be some lost players. there's no getting around that. the main purpose/goal of creating a new server would be to rebuild the community and have lots of actively engaged leadership to give the community the support they need.
server.waer2.ru is slowing dying. that's just the way it is. there are less players on today than there were 6 months ago. less 6 months ago than a year ago..
either they dont know how to do anything about it, or dont care to do anything about it. regardless, if we have any intentions of keeping this game alive the next 3, 5, 10 years.. it's not going to be on server.war2.ru unfortunately
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Harry, I think the dream here is that even if most people don't move, somehow by getting all new players they could build a new active server. Seems like a longshot and I'm not sure how that requires a new server but whatever. Tk wants to be in charge of a server.
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What does it say about our current administrationbwhen they don't even believe its possible for the game to do better than is. If our own "leaders" have no hope.. the very people who have the most control over the direction the community goes have no hope for the game.
That's how I know something needs to change.
This bull shit excuse "its a 20yr old game with old outdated graphics" is b.s. .. people play monopoly, doom, descent, chess, checkers.. more than they play war2. The main difference is that people know about those games and they don't know about war2.
The problem me and burnt faced when we were able to get the word out about war2 is they were met by a small selfish community with only one admin on daily (me) .. and I didn't speak all of their languages.
War can be rebuilt. That's no question.. but its not going to be rebuilt by people who don't even believe its possible.
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The problem me and burnt faced when we were able to get the word out about war2 is they were met by a small selfish community with only one admin on daily (me) .. and I didn't speak all of their languages.
First off, with all the clan tags we have now, I don't know why you're obsessing over admin icons like they're the only way to help people. Secondly, what are you going to do about this problem? The community on a new server will be even smaller and you still won't have any Russians or Brazilians willing to sit in chat all day teaching GOW to newbs.
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U are offering a free game.. people play money for candy crush or farmville.. and you don't think its possible to get people to play it?
Why.. seriously for the love of God if this is what you believe please tell all of us why you are still admin. Why have you not resigned and given others who believe its possible a chance.. I seriously want to know
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Ever play on windows 8 or 10? U can't even see tags. But u can see blue text
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Or yellow text..
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when are you dumbshits going to realize there is nothing you can do to expand the current community. Its an OLD ASS GAME that no new player will ever join. Your only shot to keep the community alive is to keep the current community playing and maybe get a few nostalgia stragglers. Realize that even those that played the game many moons ago arnet likely to come back because, ya know, they have moved on, in life and stuff.
Please god just fix hosting and hacking and get off your fucking high horses about trying to create some new awesome war 2 universe. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN...
Stop trying to split already small community and just fix the two shitty problems we have (if possible).
Im with Harrywangs - if some new server pops up and not going to waste my time and im off.
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OE do u play war2? Ever? .. if so, why? ... its an old ass game I thought? Who would want to play an old ass game?
If you're gonna try to make a point and call people dumbasses. Try not looking like a hypocritical dumbass urself?
People like playing good games. War2 is a good game. That's why we still play it after nearly 20 years. Not all gamers are waiting for the "latest and greatest". The goal isn't to bring 10,000 people to War2. But 400-500 is more than possible.
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the problem is, people play facebook farmer or candycrash are looking for something disposable. things they pick up on their mobile device and play as a distraction. war2 is not mobile friendly and in fact is not very windows8/10 friendly and in fact is not windows friendly at all since it's not a windowed program but a dos executable that takes up the entire screen. and then on top of that it has a steep learning curve.
i do think it's possible to bring players back in. if something about the server goes viral on reddit because of nostalgia... that's the sort of people we might be able to reach. veterans that remember playing back in the day and dont even know they're noobs, lol. maybe the occasional refined player comes in from there also. facebook ads - maybe could bring in a slight trickle. the players will be newb compared to us and it will take an effort to catch them. retention is hard because of the nature of the game and because of a grizzled and grumpy community
i think we can finish stamping out hacking when iL gets some more time... but that's not really killing the game anyway, for anyone except equinox. hosting? we have upnp already. i usually see enough people hosting. for those that cant host it may not be something that we're able to fix. iL has discussed it before. if someone's isp does not give them a real IP then they can't host. http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,375.msg4643.html#msg4643 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,375.msg4643.html#msg4643)
tk if you want to spend money on anything it should be on getting someone to adapt combat to be compatible with future windows OS's and mac OS lol. not buying a new server
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The #1 reason more people aren't playing War2 today is because nobody even knows our community exists. #2 is because since they do find out and check us out they are met with an unwelcoming veteran community, still hosting issues, and no administrative support to resolve any issues that could potentially keep them on the server.
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from the same thread but more about real ip. it's not a client or server issue, it's a user/isp issue http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,375.msg4686.html#msg4686 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,375.msg4686.html#msg4686)
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I've said it before, I'm not going to spend any more of my money trying to build our server with its current staff. Things are either being managed improperly or not managed at all. If I'm going to spend all kinds of money, I'm going to make sure I have control over its success. Right now I can throw $5000 at advertising, and some minor fixes for the current server but I already know neither you, Il, mouse or LB are going to do anything to make sure they have an enjoyable experience on the server.
I'm not throwing any more money away on that server unless its to buy it so can get shit done.
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how exactly are you ever going to force the vets to be newb or to be nice to newbs? the only change from the current server, besides you having to hire someone to run the back-end for you since you wont know how, is that you'll be in the channel and have blue text? that's all im hearing here. ill give you yellow text on the existing server and save you the bother.
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U still never answered my question.. did you finally cave in and start paying the $15 a month for server hosting or did u just stop all together 2 years ago... if ur still not paying bit Cus u didn't wanna fork over an extra $10 a month you have some balls even suggesting anyone finance anything related to War2
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If you can manage the get a large amount of newbs to join at the same time they will outnumber the veterans. They will sustain themselves.
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youre already talking about dumping $10,000 on hiring people to make a server and remake combat for you. i'm simply telling you something that may actually be a useful way to spend that money instead of an actively harmful way, as anyone might
U still never answered my question.. did you finally cave in and start paying the $15 a month for server hosting or did u just stop all together 2 years ago... if ur still not paying bit Cus u didn't wanna fork over an extra $10 a month you have some balls even suggesting anyone finance anything related to War2
you never asked me that question. i do pay the monthly amount for the main server and have for like 6 months or so?