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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: Yamon on November 14, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
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This game is garbage with the current server. There are so many players that conflict with each other, the server is down every single day, there's hackers running rampant, there's like 2 games at all times, 1 of them is always chop or pball. There are players who's connections are not good enough to ping themselves back and fourth from germany. There are so many political issues that we can't even appoint an active admin. We have 1 developer. all of war2's staff are people that are widely disliked. And all of war2's new blood is suckered into playing chop or pball. There's only 5 players to play against in competitive war2. The whole community is paranoid of hacks, calling people running the anti-hack hackers. The community is so misinformed about everything. Masta{hR} has to buy a fucking hotspot if he wants to play warcraft 2. And there's only one person contributing to tournaments. We have burnt stepping down from the community and just giving up because everything is run so shit. We don't even have any legimate advertisement. We have no improvements in technology.
Guys, this is the game we all love. Doesn't anyone think we can do better as a whole?
The server had like 500 players, with no connectivity issues, no hosting issues, and you never had to chase down an admin for anything. Under lance's server and administration, this game was 100x better.
We all know what this game needs to thrive. It's not rocket science. Why hasn't it happened yet? Because we trust the wrong fucking people. Not only do they do a shit job, they expect you to suck their dick for it. No one cares that ldir paid a few bucks to keep war2 going. Many people have offered to pay and will still do so.
To remind ourselves what this game needs, and how we are going to achieve that, lets make a priority list.
#1. Antihack launcher. This is essential, and it's easily made and implemented. Waiting months and months for such a simple piece of software is absolutely insane.
#2. Port forwarding software. Many players can't figure out how to open their ports, and it makes them quit before they get started. Simply giving them a tutorial is lazy and it's proven ineffective.
#3. Real advertisement. Like I've stated and everyone knows, there are plenty of people willing and able to throw money at this game. Let them do so in the form of advertisement.
#4. Developers. There are a handful of developers for war2 besides ldir, who want to create what this game needs to thrive.
#5. A quality server. A pitiful second hand server in Germany is absolutely ridiculous. Confliction excists because packets go the long way around the world to reach the server and go back. That's why you create multiple servers based on location. The solution is simple. Buy a server in the middle of the west and the east. Like GB. But when we had a server stationed in U.S. no one had confliction problems, so stick with the tried and true.
#6 Active Admins. Appoint new active admins. Peroid. Blid is the only administrator who has been consistent. Give other people a chance to be just as good as him.
#7 A way for new players to learn and become regulars. TK had the right idea with the training videos. Many players are capable of shaping and molding new blood into active players. So empower the community to do so. The only reason they don't is because they think war2 is a cespool and they want to play and gtfo. And sadly, they're correct.
How do we achieve all of this? Easy. Give lance the power to do all of this. Donate to lance and let him set up multiple teams for each purpose. War2 custom would of been an absolute blessing for war2 and we should of definitely went with that. Instead war2 is dead because we didn't. Fund lance's war2 custom project, and ALL of these issues will be addressed properly, and in a timely fashion.
Furthermore, I would suggest that we all pay lance to do this. Give him an incentive. We should be donating so much that he has some left to play around with.
and once war2 is back with an active player base, we can look into the future. Possibily a clone of war2 made by a brand of developers.
We can make this happen.
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The anti hack should be required for everyone. There are far more than 1 person contributing to tournaments. I started these tournies 1 year ago and Tora started his because of me about 3-4 months ago. The anti hack definitely needs to be required by everyone. Not all admins are disliked. Your message is far too long... Whatever though, War 2 is not in dire straits nearly like you are saying. There are people helping a dozen donating and 2 hosting tournaments.
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The anti hack should be required for everyone. There are far more than 1 person contributing to tournaments. I started these tournies 1 year ago and Tora started his because of me about 3-4 months ago. The anti hack definitely needs to be required by everyone. Not all admins are disliked. Your message is far too long... Whatever though, War 2 is not in dire straits nearly like you are saying. There are people helping a dozen donating and 2 hosting tournaments.
your tournaments are counter-productive.
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The anti hack should be required for everyone. There are far more than 1 person contributing to tournaments. I started these tournies 1 year ago and Tora started his because of me about 3-4 months ago. The anti hack definitely needs to be required by everyone. Not all admins are disliked. Your message is far too long... Whatever though, War 2 is not in dire straits nearly like you are saying. There are people helping a dozen donating and 2 hosting tournaments.
your tournaments are counter-productive.
Lmao go troll elsewhere moron. You need to to stfu. I'm not saying there aren't good points in your post, but you know nothing about the tournaments.
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The anti hack should be required for everyone. There are far more than 1 person contributing to tournaments. I started these tournies 1 year ago and Tora started his because of me about 3-4 months ago. The anti hack definitely needs to be required by everyone. Not all admins are disliked. Your message is far too long... Whatever though, War 2 is not in dire straits nearly like you are saying. There are people helping a dozen donating and 2 hosting tournaments.
your tournaments are counter-productive.
Lmao go troll elsewhere moron. You need to to stfu. I'm not saying there aren't good points in your post, but you know nothing about the tournaments.
pball was cool for a laugh in like 04 dude. Your stupid tournaments are nailing war2's coffin shut.
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PBall is still alive and I have helped it a lot in the last year. GOW tournaments happen right now because of Tora and I.
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PBall is still alive and I have helped it a lot in the last year. GOW tournaments happen right now because of Tora and I.
tournaments are the least of war2's concern in the first place. Tora acts on his acord. He wasn't inspired by you. you should spend that $200 on me teaching you how to play war2 and then you will realize how fucking stupid pball is.
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Of course Tora acts on his own accord. We are also partners and always have been since the GOW tournaments have been hosted there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT Tora was inspired by me, and we are great friends.. Of 5 tournaments I have made the brackets in one and assistant hosted 2. There are definitely other things WITH the tournaments that could get done. Such as finishing the anti hack and getting everyone to have it. I'm just saying currently wc2 is not dying the server was very active this morning. The admins are still inactive quite a bit but there is stuff being done on War 2.
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Of course Tora acts on his own accord. We are also partners and always have been since the GOW tournaments have been hosted. Of 5 tournaments I have made the brackets in one and assistant hosted 2. There are definitely other things WITH the tournaments that could get done. Such as finishing the anti hack and getting everyone to have it. I'm just saying currently wc2 is not dying the server was very active this morning. The admins are still inactive quite a bit but there is stuff being done on War 2.
yeah the server was somewhat active this morning, and then it crashed. go figure. we get all this momentum and then it falls flat on its face because we have 1 developer and a shitty server.
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Yes the programming end by Il needs to get moving. I want the anti hack finished just like you and others. There are other things that could be done too, but cash tournaments are a good start for now. Hopefully the programming end starts picking up more.
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Nothing will happen
No follow thru in this place . People don't want to admit they need or accept help . I offered to get it to 10,000 players several years ago .
But no 1 listened I honestly kept it up for several months but nothing was done
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php?topic=1224.msg19315#msg19315
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you don't need everyone aboard in this dellam. if you truly want to help war2, then talk to lance and start him on the project.
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Lol... Smeagol "assist hosting" a GoW tournament. Now THAT'S scary. I personally appreciate you hosting custom map tourneys because I think it is an integral part of game play. Maybe the .RU server only wanted classic map players, but if you leave out the custom players, then we all we are left with is a bunch of grumpy old farts scratching dirty butt cracks.
What happened to the greats like LB, ViRuZ, GP, and a host of other names that make tier 2 on down players jizz just by seeing them on? What happened to Tyrus, Feature, Equinox and others? I'll tell you what... we've lost quality players over and over again to other games. Wc2 is very close to unplayable.
I have next to no tech knowledge but I want to help wc2 financially. I am ready to get the ball rolling with dinero. I am willing to spend any amount of 4 figures on this game IF it can guarantee a complete fix of hosting issues. Once the hosting issues are fixed, everyone will start coming back. This game is very attractable when all moving parts are working correctly. Otherwise, this is the most frustrating experience trying to join a game... ever.
I literally have to sit in the lobby for 30 minute intervals or more to wait for a game that I like to be hosted. I forwarded my ports, along with the help of people like Yamon, and it still doesn't work.
Fix this game, and we could have 200-1000+ on at all times instead of 25-70.
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There is nothing scary about me assisting a GOW tournament. I played GOW for 4+ years 1998-2002. Also I did the brackets in the first tournament. IF you were to throw a few thousand at this game not even that would fix the issues. There have been several people who put money into this game and we are still at the state we are now. What this game needs is more active admins and the programmers we have to get down to the nitty gritty. You can throw some money into this Cam, but don't expect it to be an easy fix with how things currently are, some of it due to inactivity and just laziness over the last so many years. Honorable intentions to help the game, but it is being helped, it's a game from 1995 and we all have to help though.
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Swift runs a web marketing company
Although it sounded a bit amateurish and unprofessional he did offer the services for free for this place.
Obviously u need to fix the server first . Then introduce a proper ladder. Then auto ban if idle 10 minutes. Also if u ban newbs your banned .
Then once all that is done , get swift marketing company to promote the place
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I agree that pball tournaments don't help anything other than the dead and irrelevant pball scene, but Smeagol does help Tora host the other tournaments as well. I appreciate what Smeagol does.
We have burnt stepping down from the community and just giving up because everything is run so shit.
That's not why Burnt stepped away at ALL. He left because if he stayed he was going to ban people who complain.
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We have burnt stepping down from the community and just giving up because everything is run so shit.
That's not why Burnt stepped away at ALL. He left because if he stayed he was going to ban people who complain.
We only complained for change. So he got butt hurt and Banned is for pointing out how he and his team let this game go to shits over the years.
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Swift runs a web marketing company
Although it sounded a bit amateurish and unprofessional he did offer the services for free for this place.
Obviously u need to fix the server first . Then introduce a proper ladder. Then auto ban if idle 10 minutes. Also if u ban newbs your banned .
Then once all that is done , get swift marketing company to promote the place
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your ideas are terrible and not well thought out what-so-ever. leave the problem solving to me
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Also burnt stepping down just proves a point that the guy is a pussy and clearly can't handle the fact that he failed this game. Rage bans anyone who try's to point out the obvious.
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Yamon if you really care about war 2 then do something about it.
The reason why I started hosting these tournaments was because I got tired of seeing the server empty every day. So I decided to do something about it.
You seem have a few good ideas, so now the next step is to carry out these ideas. You don't need to worry about money because as your already aware. Myself and other members are more than willing to donate to causes that benefit this server.
I understand your frustrations but the only way this problem is going to be solved is thru action.
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There is definitely things to be done. Those are many and you need to pick a plan and stick with it. Tora and I chose tournaments and today is the PBall tournament so here we are. The admins have been there forever and they do what they do, some have been lazy.
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Swift runs a web marketing company
Although it sounded a bit amateurish and unprofessional he did offer the services for free for this place.
Obviously u need to fix the server first . Then introduce a proper ladder. Then auto ban if idle 10 minutes. Also if u ban newbs your banned .
Then once all that is done , get swift marketing company to promote the place
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your ideas are terrible and not well thought out what-so-ever. leave the problem solving to me
Wow
I actually tried to simplify it to make it easy for you guys to commit . Great attitude Fuckheads by the way , I offer 5 simple points that would have 10,000+ people on server and you say it's terrible .
Having more players inst terrible , it's a good thing . It's people like you who don't want the server to grow , who just want to play with their "friends" who are killing this place . You have to have more players or it will
Die and u can't play at all . You have to get with the times and stop just playing the little games vs the same people you have to have the 10,000 new players to enable the server to thrive
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There are some valid criticisms and some decent ideas here in this thread. There's also some stuff not so valid.
Yes, it's silly that we have to ban the same people 20 times. Hardware ban would be very nice. Yes, anti-hack could be completed and enforced.
I believe both those things will get done, but iL is busy and moves at his own pace.
Lance might be the answer for you, but I wouldn't trust him in charge of War2/the server/etc. Therefore I follow iL's pace.
iL has fixed up the chronjob so that the server will only be down a minute each night. People in games can keep on playing, idle people in chat may not even get booted. Should be fine.
A lot of the rest is part of having an old game.
Tora's tournaments are nice to keep the regulars involved and from leaving the community.
More admins - it's possible, I think we'd appoint someone like Tora if he was interested. Hardware ban would solve this though. It does take a long time for it to come.
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What time is the chron job? Will there be one tonight? Also yes the anti hack and hard wire bans are great. Anyone like Tupac, Il, and Lance who program for the server are doing a pretty decent job on it. Everyone needs the anti hack and the bugs need worked out though. Tora and I hosting tournaments are definitely great for the community as many old players and new players have come to the server. The admins just need to keep it up and get the programming done.
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Yamon if you really care about war 2 then do something about it.
The reason why I started hosting these tournaments was because I got tired of seeing the server empty every day. So I decided to do something about it.
You seem have a few good ideas, so now the next step is to carry out these ideas. You don't need to worry about money because as your already aware. Myself and other members are more than willing to donate to causes that benefit this server.
I understand your frustrations but the only way this problem is going to be solved is thru action.
I know why you started the tournaments. And this thread is to unite all of the players to organize action, knowing the problems and the solutions is where we start. Then step 2 is action. How do we accomplish these things? I believe that if all we fund lance's war2 custom project and stick to everything i've suggested, that not only will war2 revive, it will thrive. Instead of pressuring one poor person to slave away on their spare time for war2, make a team of developers, make it a beneficial and positive experience to code for war2. Make it lucrative. Give an incenctive. If you are looking for a champion for warcraft 2, to unite the community and bring it into the future, i will be that person. But leave it up to everyone else to decide, how these things will get done.
And if no one steps up or comes to agree, then i will act alone in getting donations for lance's project.
But if you really want to see real improvement and fast, then i would suggest you talk to lance.
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Yamon do you know of any developers that can help get some things fixed around here?
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Yamon do you know of any developers that can help get some things fixed around here?
yes
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Yamon do you know of any developers that can help get some things fixed around here?
yes
Are they people you know or are they members of the War2 community?
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Yamon do you know of any developers that can help get some things fixed around here?
yes
Are they people you know or are they members of the War2 community?
members of the war2 communtiy. a lot of this software has already been written. It's just sitting waiting to be used.
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I believe lance has already developed a lot of this already.
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This was not tonight and I have absolutely every game recorded. I suggest you go take some morphine Ryu it's Saturday night. If you play your cards right you can go to church rehab tomorrow on Sunday. Completely legit tournament as I have all the videos and watched the anti hack all tournament. Kindly go fuck off kid.
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Don't Hack me Bro!
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Xcal wins the tournament and Masta{hR} gets 2nd. Congratulations guys! Replays will be uploaded in the next day or two.
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Let me tell you... I thought I had won the Finals round in the tournament 2-1. I then became emotionally frustrated when I attempted to go watch the UCF fight, because I was then told I was not finished. 15 games of 45 man pball and it taking over 3 hours to do is almost ridiculous! xCaL then played super conservatively and camped the last 2 games, so I suicide rushed in those last two games. He just sat in his base... I should have screen shotted how many times I asked for av because it was so boring. To be honest, of all the talent there, it probably should have been Smeagol and I in the finals. Wish I knew how that random seeding worked!
Moreover.... here we are back to square 1, debating among ourselves useless philosophies and strategies about how to get War2 off the ground. Someone should create a Gantt chart and get stuff done. We are the laziest group of people, and yes I include myself in this.
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Let me tell you... I thought I had won the Finals round in the tournament 2-1. I then became emotionally frustrated when I attempted to go watch the UCF fight, because I was then told I was not finished. 15 games of 45 man pball and it taking over 3 hours to do is almost ridiculous! xCaL then played super conservatively and camped the last 2 games, so I suicide rushed in those last two games. He just sat in his base... I should have screen shotted how many times I asked for av because it was so boring. To be honest, of all the talent there, it probably should have been Smeagol and I in the finals. Wish I knew how that random seeding worked!
Moreover.... here we are back to square 1, debating among ourselves useless philosophies and strategies about how to get War2 off the ground. Someone should create a Gantt chart and get stuff done. We are the laziest group of people, and yes I include myself in this.
You did well Masta, well done on the $60. Thank you for the donation, very honorable. I think Xcal definitely deserved his spot in the finals, he has 3 tournament wins now and me losing puts me at 14-8 :O. Yeah if Warcraft 2 united for one glorious day more things could get done then in a long time I'm sure, but you need people and cash. More than that you need admins who take the initiative to do stuff. Hopefully Il has the anti hack finalized soon and the hard wire ban is put into affect. Well done last night Masta.
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Let me tell you... I thought I had won the Finals round in the tournament 2-1. I then became emotionally frustrated when I attempted to go watch the UCF fight, because I was then told I was not finished. 15 games of 45 man pball and it taking over 3 hours to do is almost ridiculous! xCaL then played super conservatively and camped the last 2 games, so I suicide rushed in those last two games. He just sat in his base... I should have screen shotted how many times I asked for av because it was so boring. To be honest, of all the talent there, it probably should have been Smeagol and I in the finals. Wish I knew how that random seeding worked!
Moreover.... here we are back to square 1, debating among ourselves useless philosophies and strategies about how to get War2 off the ground. Someone should create a Gantt chart and get stuff done. We are the laziest group of people, and yes I include myself in this.
You did well Masta, well done on the $60. Thank you for the donation, very honorable. I think Xcal definitely deserved his spot in the finals, he has 3 tournament wins now and me losing puts me at 14-8 :O. Yeah if Warcraft 2 united for one glorious day more things could get done then in a long time I'm sure, but you need people and cash. More than that you need admins who take the initiative to do stuff. Hopefully Il has the anti hack finalized soon and the hard wire ban is put into affect. Well done last night Masta.
shut the fuck up about your pball tourney on my thread you fucking idiot!
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lol
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I would love to see less conflicting and less banning. If a developer could somehow create a way to watch games without being a player in the game that would reduce the banhammerism. Kinda like Twitch, but on the server.
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I would love to see less conflicting and less banning. If a developer could somehow create a way to watch games without being a player in the game that would reduce the banhammerism. Kinda like Twitch, but on the server.
ive thought that exact same thing.. program "watcher slots" and make it so they cannot move the 1 peon they start with and put the starting location in the corner of the map for them
ive already talked to a few people about starting a new server in about 11 months and im going to see if this is 1) possible 2) something i can afford to pay for if it is possible
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blid said it perfectly.. "il moves at his own pace" ... blid also moves at his own pace. neither of which are with any sense of real purpose. so we're kinda stuck with this "You get what you get and you don't throw a fit!" mentality
not sure if you guys have heard the saying before but it goes something like "If you want something done right, do it yourself"
we have all argued and bitched about the lack of leadership, updates, or real sense of direction over the years. some of the requests get met if it's not too much of a hassle, most dont.
as the months go by, im going to be getting more serious about getting the ball rolling on a new server. if anyone has any interest in being a part of that and can assist in some way feel free to contact me
something to take note of.. i'm not going to make the same mistake $pace made and use Lance for all of the programming. I personally like lance. I have no idea whether he can be trusted or not, but i'm going to play it safe and hire programmers so i dont jeopardize the whole operation or make a server nobody wants to download out of fear of who has control over it.
my point.. i'm more than happy to have assistance if you have a skill set that would help, but i'm going to be extremely selective over how much control/access/power i give to who... but i also think it's important there are plenty of active OPs/mods/admins
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A snail could out run blid at his pace. [emoji28]
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