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Server.War2.ru / Re: LADDER ON - Beta season

« on: January 05, 2025, 03:10:30 AM »

Ok beta season is done.

Thanks for the suggestions and for playing those who had the time.
We fixed few bugs and everything seems working as intended.

Results:

#1 u8
#2 Vity
#3 Mr Unlimited

Before we finally launch the season 1 we will:

Remove ladder ranking from old ladder (only the scoreboard, game history stays).
Reset the mist ladder games and scoreboard (of course)

Map pool (random system)  GOW classic, POS BNE and Rose Petal BNE (all high resources).

In addition we are trying to set DISC count as loss and to have more observers slots instead of only one, but these changes will not stop the ladder to starts.

Prizes are under discussion . Will most likely be more tag related than money.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Master tag challenge thread

« on: December 24, 2024, 02:32:30 AM »

Why Ragner prefers SG? Looks easier ? Hahaha

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Server.War2.ru / Re: LADDER ON - Beta season

« on: December 11, 2024, 01:23:25 AM »

It's 2024.  Competitive war2 ended decades ago around 2010.  Kali was the peak between 1996 - 2006.  War2's headstone should read "1996 - 2006".  Kali was more populated than Bnet and competitive via cases ladder even after Bnet's release with its built in total trash glicko system.  Kali lived on several years into bnet's existence with very solid populations but around 2006 it really dropped off heavily as people got use to bnet's new interface and realizing bnet would never fix it's crap ladder.  I think Axolotl still has his season 1 (somethin like that,  I forget which season it was) trophy photo up.  The ladder on bnet lasted I think 3 or 4 seasons before people realized it was not ever going to be fixed and just stopped participating in it in any competitive way.  There hasnt been a replacement ever since that brought back the urge to compete competitively.  Even if one existed,  I couldnt anyway.  I play 1 handed in 2024+.  Arthritis prevents me from using hotkeys.  So if I show up in any ladder stats anywhere,  know that it was not intentional.

I assume this is about the "mist" ladder btw,  which uses the same exact FAILED system that Bnet used in 1999.  Just take a look at u8's rating on the "mist" ladder currently and you'll quickly see why it was such a miserable utter and total failure.  It's nothing but a grinding reward system.  The person that grinds out the most wins against complete noobs wins the season.  Simple.  Of course,  I explained all this before this "mist" ladder was even developed and was just a discussion somewhere here in the forums.  I explained why it would never work and now you have a working example of just why it's such a bad example when viewing u8's game stats.  Just take a look at how his glicko continued to rise even though he wasnt playing anyone any better,  it was all vs a single player (which makes this system easy to game and it appears thats exactly what he did which isnt surprising in the least,  it was warned before this ladder even existed that thats what would happen).  The false assumption that just because Blizz uses it,  that it must be a good system is COMPLETELY misguided.  Blizzard doesnt care about competitiveness.  It only cares about making people stay in their games as much as possible and grinding is how they do that across ALL their titles.  Glicko's only use is a match making GUESS.  And thats it.  Thats all it is,  a guess.  Which is usually wrong in grindy environments.  There are plenty of complaints about it in other title's forums.  Just take a look at Hearthstone's forums and you'll quickly realize this.  You're just not going to find a better system than rung based.

Elo is far older than blizzard (glicko is based on elo).  It was designed for chess in the early 1900s which is an in person game where games could last HOURS or even DAYS at a time.  Grinding out wins at chess against new players is not possible in a real in person officially sanctioned way which is why it works well for chess but not something like War2 or any online game for that matter.  What you have developed isnt really elo.  It's closer to glicko, if not an outright copy of it and simply not showing the RD value.  However,  it doesnt matter if you use elo or glicko.  The end result is the same.  You can game them both by grinding out wins vs lesser players (as you can see with u8's current ranking and was explained b4 this dumb idea was put into motion).  Something you simply cannot do in a rung based system.

Thanks Lance.

Indeed I saw your concern on the first week and did my opinion over there.

What we can do is to create some mechanisms. I though in 2 scenarios.

1) Rank range.

We can limit for example in #10 ranks to have the ELO counted.
Equinox #1 beat (or lose) Shotgun #12 , both ELOs remains unchanged.

2) Elo range.

We can limit in 50 points.

Dudakurten ELO 1100 beat (or lose) Lance ELO 1025.
Both ELO remains unchanged.

What do your think?

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Server.War2.ru / Re: LADDER ON - Beta season

« on: December 11, 2024, 01:18:40 AM »

1st week thoughts.

26 players
49 games

Still very low participation, but is a start.
Some assumptions:

- fixed bugs and changed maps
- I would say 90% or more don’t even know this exists
- people don’t like 1vs1 competitive
- people don’t like to play other maps (even after the changes to get more friendly, and gow is on the list)

Let’s see how it will go for the second week.

Happy to hear suggestions.

You forgot to fix one of the most important thing, i told you to put High ressource everywhere, but you still keep it random.

Peoples have already hard time with random map, and you want to put random ressource over it, one step at time, but you dont listen.

And now it's a bit late, because peoples already assume its random ressource and they will probably never try again because of it.

Also, next time, try to containt yourself at giving free win to u8, pretty sure peoples are tired seing this guy abbussing of every ladder tournament they see everywhere.

Thanks again for your constant feedback Eq. I am taking almost 100% of your suggestions so far.

Just to be clear is not random resources. You have 3 high, 1 medium, 1 low but they are fixed.

GOW MITC and B2B are always high
GSEP medium
E the 2 spots short map (Murky) is low

I personally liked. But if everyone wants to play only high we can change of course. That’s why keeping opened for everyone give your input during this beta to make the Season 1 next month more enjoyable possible.

Regarding u8 yea, any avg/good player I will be basically feeding of course , because I’m bad lol.

I lost him 3/0, then swift 3/0 then him again 2/0…quilks recently gave me 2/0

I personally prefer to try top players because make it easier when I fight my Brazilian friends.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Beating KnitterHemd in 2020

« on: December 11, 2024, 01:10:08 AM »

Any GMs on?

Can be a half-way GM?

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Quilks

« on: December 10, 2024, 07:15:38 AM »

Question is who is George?

Smurfing on forum too. Not surprised his IP was banned. ? Hehehe

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Quilks

« on: December 09, 2024, 04:52:41 PM »

He’s actually cool. Can’t be the same quilks.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: LADDER ON - Beta season

« on: December 09, 2024, 05:01:32 AM »

1st week thoughts.

26 players
49 games

Still very low participation, but is a start.
Some assumptions:

- fixed bugs and changed maps
- I would say 90% or more don’t even know this exists
- people don’t like 1vs1 competitive
- people don’t like to play other maps (even after the changes to get more friendly, and gow is on the list)

Let’s see how it will go for the second week.

Happy to hear suggestions.

After 2 weeks we have…

30 players (+ 4)
73 games played (+ 24)

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Server.War2.ru / Re: UNBAN ME

« on: December 09, 2024, 03:36:59 AM »

The old bnet if you ignore someone and people login with another account , the new account also shows a X. Is not like that ?

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Ladder and Anti-hack

« on: December 09, 2024, 02:24:44 AM »

People could also start hosting games again that say GOW GOOD, GOW NOOB, GOW AVERAGE. This way, they aren't so insulted for being obsed for being noob.

Which name should I host on my games ??

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Server.War2.ru / Re: 1vs1 GOW tour this Sunday 8th at 21:30 CET

« on: December 08, 2024, 05:02:01 AM »

Sorry it’s cancelled. Can’t make it

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: vote to follow blizzard balance by default

« on: December 06, 2024, 08:41:01 AM »

Nice discussion about the changes in the server to use or not the blizzard patch

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Ladder and Anti-hack

« on: December 06, 2024, 07:36:14 AM »

https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?topic=7277.0

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: vote to follow blizzard balance by default

« on: December 06, 2024, 01:20:05 AM »

Basically the "official" experience for wc2 now is through this new changes to gameplay that is if you install remaster , btw can the remaster runs on anything below 4 GB ram? I don't think the graphics need much performance.

Has anyone tested it? I don't want to blow up the lap so isreal gets an excuse to bomb the heck out of north jordan cuz they thought im manufacturing bombs.

I have an old laptop from 2019 and in 8 players spot map my computer makes the game lags where I need to switch to the old graphs middle of game , happens sometimes.

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: vote to follow blizzard balance by default

« on: December 06, 2024, 01:17:59 AM »

Not doing it is like you’re playing an old mod. The company itself created the balance patch. 

And yet you voted NO